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Hunter & Taylor Podcast · April 2024 (Part 1)

2026-03-29 · 1:01:50 · 6 min read

Something different today. I brought my girlfriend Taylor on for a podcast-style conversation instead of my usual peptide breakdown. She has her own YouTube channel now where she talks about peptides for women, and I thought it'd be valuable to get a woman's perspective on hormones, peptides, fat loss, and everything else we cover here. If you like this format, drop a comment and let us know. We're thinking about making it weekly.

What Women Actually Ask About Peptides

Taylor gets asked about reconstitution constantly. How much water do I add to the vial? She's made plenty of videos on that.

But the bigger picture is this. Most peptides work the same for men and women. They aren't reproductive hormones like testosterone or estrogen. So the actual tactical info doesn't change much.

What women come to her for is fat loss and beauty. Skin, hair, nails. Appearance stuff. Peptides genuinely deliver there, but only when the foundational pieces are in place. Diet, training, sleep, alcohol intake, sugar, fasting. The unsexy stuff.

Peptides aren't a replacement for any of that. They're what makes the work you're already doing actually pay off.

Taylor's Story With Peptides

Taylor's been a hairstylist since she was 18. After 14 years, her hands were destroyed. Constant inflammation, swelling, gripping pain. She'd been told it was rheumatoid arthritis, but a lot of it was occupational damage.

Adding peptides changed that. The swelling went down. Her grip improved to where she could actually do pull-ups and leg raises without pain. She could hold dumbbells without her hands cramping up.

Then came the body composition. More muscle definition, easier fat loss with Ipamorelin, CJC, and Tesamorelin.

The skin stuff surprised her the most. She used to get Botox every three to four months. She hasn't gotten any in over eight months. Her melasma and sun spots faded more from peptides than from years of expensive chemical peels and laser treatments.

Why Melanotan-1 Is Her Desert Island Peptide

Most people in fitness know about Melanotan-2 for tanning. Almost nobody talks about Melanotan-1.

Taylor said if she could only keep one peptide, it would be Melanotan-1. Not for tanning. For what it does to the nervous system and brain.

Before she got on bioidentical hormones, coming off birth control, dealing with PMS and luteal phase anxiety, Melanotan-1 helped more than anything else. The mood and nervous system effects don't get talked about enough.

Men and Women Approach Peptides Differently

Men think mechanically. I have this problem, this peptide fixes it.

Women care about how they feel. The whole experience, not just the numbers on a lab.

Every woman I've ever met describes herself as busy. Doesn't matter if she's a mom or not. The mind is constantly running. So when health enters the picture, it feels overwhelming. Not enough time to train, eat right, take care of yourself, look the way you want.

Peptides and hormones make the things you're already doing easier and more effective. That's the leverage piece.

The Feedback Loop

Most people trying to get healthy listen to a bunch of conflicting advice and end up doing nothing consistently. They go to the gym, see no change in the mirror, and quit.

When your hormones and peptides are dialed in, you go to the gym three times a week and you actually see your body change. Then you want to keep going. Then you start liking what you see. Then it gets easy.

I've seen people in gyms who train every single day for years and look worse over time. Whatever they're doing outside the gym is wrecking what they do inside it. Or their hormones are so trashed that all the work doesn't matter.

Stop Killing Yourself in the Gym

Taylor sees this constantly with women. Running, HIIT, CrossFit, no carbs, six days a week, and the scale won't move.

If you feel broken, you're doing something wrong.

Three days a week of proper resistance training will get you better results than six days of CrossFit or burn boot camp. The other days, walk, hike, ride a bike, do fasted cardio, take a yoga class.

I'm not telling anyone how to live, but if you do CrossFit, at minimum use hormones and peptides because that style of training is hard on your body. I played football for 17 years. I know what self-damaging endeavors look like.

Right now Taylor and I lift three days a week, full body. Some weeks we only get two sessions in because life happens. We don't lose anything because the hormonal foundation is there.

What "Natty" Even Means Anymore

People love the holier-than-thou thing about never using testosterone. But what is natural at this point?

Caffeine is a performance enhancer. When I was an NCAA athlete, too much caffeine in a drug test could cost you a year of eligibility.

Every person in the United States right now has microplastics in their blood. The environment is so compromised that even doing everything perfectly, your hormones are going to suffer.

Free testosterone is a good example. On the LabCorp assay, men start feeling symptom resolution at a level of 25. I rarely see a natural guy break 15, even lean and fit guys doing every biohack in the book. Mine didn't even register before TRT. It was below 5.

Now think about the average man walking around with a 7, 8, or 11. That's the vibrational baseline of the planet right now. That's what's happening.

The highest natural free testosterone I've ever seen on a woman is 2.6.

How Hormones Changed Our Relationship

I asked Taylor how she sees the difference in me, and how she sees the difference in herself.

Resilience is the biggest one. Most people, especially women, default to anxiety because they can't handle stress. Same person, take hormones away versus add them in, totally different response to the same stressors.

Life is stressful. Things happen outside your control. Without hormones, you don't have the capacity to deal with it. Mine was a train wreck before TRT.

The other thing I notice in Taylor is she's more connected to her feminine essence. She's not stuck trying to wear a masculine cap to fight the day. She owns two businesses, makes her own money, but she doesn't have to operate from a hyper-masculine, anxious place to do it.

Same energy used differently. Conquering a task feels good to a man. The same task can give a woman anxiety. We've created a world where women try to do what men do, men try to do what women do, and nobody feels good.

Why Women Care About the House

Taylor put it well. The home is the nest. If the kitchen has three cups on the counter, she can't function. If laundry is everywhere, she can't relax.

For me, none of that registers. I can work in a messy kitchen. She can't.

Clutter has energy. When the house is calm and clean, the energy flows. When it's chaotic, everything feels stagnant. Women pick up on that more than men do, even though it affects both of us.

The lesson is balance. The house can't be a museum. But you also can't live like a frat house. Make the bed, do the dishes, keep order. Then go do your work.

The Influencer Lying Problem

Most fitness content is curated lies.

The influencer with the perfect body posting "what I eat in a day" with avocado toast and cottage cheese is also on growth hormone, peptides, and probably anabolics. Nothing wrong with using any of that. We support it. Just own it.

When people leave that part out, they're selling you a fantasy you can't achieve. Then you hate yourself for not looking like them.

The truth is most people would rather be lied to. If they admitted the influencer was using stuff, they'd lose the savior status they've assigned to that person. They'd have to take responsibility for their own life.

Taylor used to compare herself to women on social media until she realized most of them were running protocols she wasn't running. Now she uses them as inspiration without the self-loathing.

My Take

If you're going to put work into your body, put it into your foundation first. Hormones, sleep, food, training that doesn't break you. Then layer peptides on top to actually get the return on the work you're putting in.

And stop comparing yourself to people who are lying to you. Find real people, real coaches, real information. The internet rewards the fakers, but you don't have to play that game.

If you liked this format, drop a comment and let us know. We'll do more of these. Taylor's channel is linked in the description if you want a woman's take on peptides specifically. See you in the next one.

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Hey everybody, this is Hunter Williams and I have a little something different for you guys on my YouTube channel today. So you're used to me ranting and raving about peptides, benefits, side effects, those such blah, blah blah. But today what I decided to do is bring my girlfriend on because she also has a YouTube Channel now that is taking off and her name is Taylor Reed. And we just decided we're going to a podcast. What I would like to is get you guys feedback, because I have such an amazing audience of people that follow me and everything,

which I'm so blessed to have. But I would like to get your guys' feedback on whether you like this or not. So it would be my planned intention, I think yours too, to do something like This Weekly, where we do a podcast episode like, this to give you a little bit of a change-up. There's enough people that follow me now where they just like listening to the content and I think it's good to have a women's perspective on a lot of the health stuff and hormones, peptides, fat loss, blah blah, that we talk about. So I need your guys' help with this. If you ever comment or interact with any video, it'd be this one to let us know if this is a format that you'd like and you want us to keep doing this

and if we get good feedback on it, which we'll see how it does, I would like to, you know, keep going this, and keep publishing this because I Um, for you guys, cause obviously a lot of people listen to my stuff, like when they're driving or whatever, and I do have a podcast that you actually go into like iTunes or Spotify and listen too. Um. So I think it'd be good to like not only have the teaching videos, which obviously I will continue to do, but then to have this like podcast free flow where it can be like my stream of consciousness. And I thought about this, I love writing. and everything, but this is kind of like doing a podcast is a good thought exercise of taking the thoughts that I have and have someone like my awesome

girlfriend to talk with and then hopefully it gives you guys something like if you're driving, doing cardio, whatever. That you can listen to and get benefit from so at the risk of sounding arrogant I think this would be good and We're gonna need you guys's feedback, you know on my email list and in the comments and YouTube and everything about this so that being said If you don't know Taylor, she's been obviously been like in a lot of my videos and stuff She's my girlfriend. We live together now and Everything and she has her own YouTube channel.

So I'm gonna put that down in description below and So she talks about peptides for women, how to help women with peptide, because that's a very commonly asked thing that I get. So if you guys are interested in that type of stuff, definitely go check out her YouTube channel, subscribe to her. She has the Women's Peptide Cheat Sheet, which I kind of helped her, she kind took her own knowledge and experience with peptides and built that out and tweaked mine for Women. Go do that, you'll sign up for her email list and everything. Um, but we have no agenda for this podcast.

So she actually, right before I hit record, she said, what are we going to talk about? And I said let's find out. We have agenda. This is going be like free flow and everything. And, uh, we'll just see where it goes. What do you want to about today? We were actually talking this morning. Yeah. Um. Now you're putting me on the spot. Like, um, What would you say is, been the more, okay out of everybody that comes in and comments and messages you, what would you say is the most requested

topics or questions asked by women for peptides? by women for peptides. Well, I think the most common question is about how much water do I add to the vial of stuff? And I've made a lot of videos about that. When it comes to women's stuff, if it's actually tactical info regarding peptide, it is probably not much different from men. I mean, women think they're a whole lot different than men, Of course they are, but in a way they're not, especially when it comes to peptides,

because most peptide work the same for men and for women. They're are not reproductive hormones like testosterone or estrogen or progesterone that are vastly different for man and women, But I think it's gonna be fat loss. It's going to be beauty, so like skin, hair, nails. So basically, goes back to the age-old thing, it's like appearance. And I think peptides are a way, because they do do this, that are like the fountain of youth for women to chase as they age that they can use.

What I will always remind people, women included, is that it is going to be the foundational things that aren't sexy to talk about. It's going be diet, training, lifestyle, not drinking alcohol, regulating sugar consumption, fasting, all those things. And then peptides come in, and when you're doing all those things right, then they are the fountain of youth. But why don't you talk about your peptide journey?

And since we've known each other, what peptids have done for you? Well, let's just talk this, because you've got the whole trifecta. You've get hormone optimization. Yeah. Uh, you got peptidies, obviously you have the lifestyle component and everything. How is your life different now? Because obviously, you trained in stuff before you knew me. So you were like a fit babe, before I knew you. You went to the gym, dieted and everything.

Since you have put in that next piece of knowing me, like with the hormones, with peptides and stuff, how has it made your life better? From a woman's perspective, I don't want you to talk about, well, my lab numbers were better. I'm talking about as you feel as a women, what has done for you? I think for me as a woman, what's helped me the most is that, it's like 88% of the population have autoimmune disease. 88 percent of those people are women.

What you meant to say is, just for clarification, is that of autoimmune disease diagnosed, 80% of that is women. Yes. And I think, and I was in that category at one point. Autoimmune is definitely something that as a lifestyle, a currency, can be a life style situation. I getting ready to order peptides and we met and I think it was just really good that we did because I was gonna order Peptides from not the best place

and For me it helped a lot with my inflammation in my body. So like I told that I had Rheumatoid arthritis and at the time that Still struggling a little bit with inflammation in my body. Well, so here's the thing to give people a lot of context back down, not to interrupt you. When she says rheumatoid arthritis, you've been a hairstylist since you were 18 years old. So it was part inflammation, but it's also part, from the outside looking in, someone would be like, oh, well, that's your job because you're working with

your hands all day, and you are standing up all days. Yeah. You're going to have arthritis and stuff, which obviously you can keep talking. Yeah, so basically long story short, I had been in the hair industry for over like 14 years at the time and my hands were just completely like, completely just shot. Like I'd so much inflammation, So much swelling in my hand. So I think like Not to make this long-winded, but I think the biggest benefit I noticed with adding peptides into my regimen is that I didn't have swelling

anymore in my hands. I did not have achy joints anymore. lift still and not complain about being sore in my joints and even just gripping my hands. When we first met, I would say I didn't have really good grip. I couldn't hurt to hang on a bar to do pull-ups or to leg raises. That killed me. And even holding dumbbells for a certain period of time, anything griping would really hurt my hands to the point that my hand would be so bent that I

would have to massage them as I was lifting. And now having peptides into that regimen, that's been the biggest thing that not having as much inflammation in my hands, not my having my joints ache and then, you know, the amount of muscle definition. I have so much more muscle, definition now than what I did then. And I still had great muscle gain and muscle. Definition, but it's just been a game changer. How much.

More muscle development I. Have with taking, um, if a Morelin and CJC and Tessa Morel in, I was able to you know, get more southern fat off my body. And then like the biggest thing is being 100% transparent is seeing the results also to like in my skin. I am always honest about this. Like I have gotten Botox, I've gotten filler in the past and I haven't gotten botox in over eight months.

Do you feel like you need it now? I feel I don't need, no. Can I sit there and correct? You'll probably still get it. I will probably get again, but I was getting Botox done every three to four months. Um, whereas in like, I do feel like the elasticity of my skin has gotten better to where I don't want or feel the need to get it done as much. Um. I would say like hyperpigmentation, um, was a big one.

And I had melasma, had sun spots. Uh, and I still have them obviously, like obviously I have makeup on right now for those of you that are watching this on video. But like my melasma and dark spots have gone down so much and I have spent a lot of money in getting chemical peels, getting laser treatments done, and it's definitely something like I don't feel like those treatments worked.

And I feel like, you know, the peptides have worked better using those have helped me a lot. And then I think like probably one of the biggest ones that a lotta people don't realize or talk about is the wonderful benefits of Melanotan-1 and not just for the tanning aspect of it. It has, it helped me so much prior to getting on bioidentical hormones.

it helps me. So much when I was entering my literal phase of my cycle with PMS, uh, getting off birth control and going through that hormonal change, like that helped him the most with anxiety and Pms. better than anything, like if I had to pick one peptide that I could only take one peptide, I can only keep one, you know, it would be Melanotam-1 because of what it does for the nervous system and for brain.

And that is something I feel like is not highlighted enough and talked about enough with Melana-Tam 1. Well, yeah, if people even talk about Melanotan-1, most people, If they're in the fitness world, they'd know about melanoton-2, but it doesn't have the consciousness enhancing effect of melanton-one that you're talking about. So, interesting, from a woman's perspective, what peptides do, I think men tend to think more of peptide as like, Uh, like,

okay, I've got this thing. I'm going to fix this. And I got the thing, but fix that thing very mechanistic, which is, is true. But then women are much more about like how you feel. How do you. Yeah. So I think what I noticed in like you saying that is like. Like, I saw somewhere, this is like marketing speak, like every mom is a busy mom. So like if you're selling stuff to moms, you wanna call them busy moms because every moms a business mom, if your a mom your busy. Every woman is busy in their mind. Exactly. Like I literally just told you this morning, Like if I feel busy, and I don't have enough time to do X, Y and Z, every woman's busy because our mind is

constantly going. Yeah, so every women is so busy woman. And so what you described is, with women when it comes to their health, They never feel like they have enough time to go to the gym, they never have time enough to take care of themselves, it's all so overwhelming. They've never had enough of time like to put their makeup on, to make them feel beautiful or whatever. I think what peptides do is it takes, for someone that's like on the journey of health, there's a lot of people, and you're probably not even listening to this, you are not this person. A lot people are just flaming dumpster fires and they don't care that they are flaming And you're probably not listening to this if one of you,

obviously if you are listening this, like you trying to be better with your health, so that's why I'm saying you not one them. But for people that are trying be healthy, this is what's crazy. If you take the average person, they're trying to be healthy. They go out and they listen to some podcast or whatever, and then they get so confused about stuff to do that they just feel overwhelmed, then end up going through the cycle of doing stuff and stopping. And what I have noticed, as you just eloquently stated, is peptides and hormones make the things that you're already doing that much easier. So what's probably crazy is the training lifestyle that we have now of being a fitness person You probably don't feel like you work out as much as you

did before, but you get better results. Yeah. Does that make sense? Oh, no, it definitely does. Prior to using peptides, I... And that's before you go into it. That's not to say that you don' t train and don t work. I'm not telling people that. But I m saying it feels easier now. It definitely is easier. Now. having those. I don't feel like I have to work.

go as hard and not saying you shouldn't still go hard, but it just changes it. So what I'm really wanting to get at too, especially for women, is I see this all the time. There's these women out there, and again, they're not the flaming dumpster fire. They're trying to do everything right. keyword trying to do all this stuff, and they just cannot put it together. They're like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like, there's this, this this. And their baseline is so messed up because they don t have the hormones. they Don't have to peptides.

You bring those in to someone that's already doing that stuff. It's like oh, that was what it was supposed to feel like. That was like going to the gym and training you got results in your body. Yeah. And then what happens is you create this feedback loop where it's like, oh, I go to the gym three or four times a week and then like oh I look in the mirror and now it is like I see like my butt changed, you know, like stomach got flatter, my stomach like got more defined or whatever. Then all of a sudden it becomes easy because it like yeah of course I got to gym because like when I was in a mirror it was going to like...

my body is going be a reflection of that. And then it helps people love themselves more. Because they're like, well, whereas most people, they go do that and it's hard. And they look in the mirror and they don't look any different. Go to the gym. You could put a camera in a gym and look at the same people that go there for years, because I've noticed this in gyms that I go to, you see the the people for the years and don t look different, and a lot of times they do look worse. They're there every single day. Lifting every day, doing it every time. Why do they looks worse? I don' t know what they' re doing outside of the gym. you know, drinking a lot or whatever, but I think a lotta times it's not.

They are pretty much like 80 to 90% of the time doing the right thing, and they're worse off from like what they are doing to their body than probably if they just wouldn't do anything. Well, that's probably an exaggeration. But I want people to understand like, if you're in that place where you feel like oh, I'm just doing all this stuff and it is not working, like I talk to people all the most of the time it's like a hormonal deficiency. And then if once that's addressed, it like peptides come in. I think as evidence in your life, you were probably working, quote unquote, working a lot harder before you had the hormones and the peptide to get worse results.

Whereas now you take the same work that you are doing and you have leverage. So it is like, imagine like trying to use computers back in the early 1990s. It was a lot of work to get a very small amount of stuff done. The amount stuff you had to do to send one email was very tough. Whereas now we can do weens and messages everywhere. So you have leverage. You're able to leverage yourself and use something to take the same work you're already doing and maximize the results. And it's pretty cool to see that in your body. But I think for women, everyone's busy.

Women, the busy mom, they're so busy, By the time they have time to take care of themselves, they're so overwhelmed. And it's like if they just took the to set aside and learn how to use peptides, learn to do the stuff, it would make their health so much easier. Then what happens, like I was saying, is this feedback loop where you, we used to say in football, look good, feel good play good. So you look, then when you good you're gonna feel and then you gonna play. When you in your day-to-day life with work and family and everything, everything just gets better because you're healthier and you like what you look when

you see in the mirror. You like all these things. And nothing's more demoralizing than doing all the workout and the diet and stuff and then still looking like trash. Obviously everyone, especially if you are in fitness world, everyone's got a little bit of body dysmorphia, but it's one thing to just kill it in a gym all of the time and still feel like you still hate how you looked. I think that's where all this stuff that we talk about can be helpful to a lot of people. Yeah, I think also too, like I, think if you feel like you're killing yourself in the gym and you've still not getting the results that you want,

you need to maybe look at what you are also doing because I thing for women, women are very resistant and I have a lot of women that come to me and they're like, oh, well, I'm running, doing this HIIT workout, crossfit, you know, not eating any carbs, but I am not losing the weight, getting any muscle, the weights not changing.

Make sure, if you are at the point where you feel like you're breaking and you don't know what else is going on, please reach out to somebody that like understands, like find a new coach, find new regiment, because more than likely one, it's your hormones, peptides are gonna help, but like also like, if you feel like you're killing and breaking yourself in the gym, you are doing something wrong. Like that's not how you should be feeling. Yes, You should train, push yourself to failure, But like if You are at that point where you really feel broken, Like you need to look at your workout

and your fitness routine differently because there's a lot of pieces that are missing here. Yeah, well I'll take it a step further. If you do stuff like burn boot camp or CrossFit or whatever, I'm not telling you how to live your life, but people that come to me and they're doing those things, like I am not going to work with them because those people are harming themselves. Yeah. IF you're going do those thing, for goodness sake, at least use hormones and peptides and stuff to try to help. Because I get it. I played football for 16 years or 17 years, or uh, that's a very self-damaging endeavor.

Like when you play football. But if you enjoy that, like I don't want to tell you not to go to CrossFit or Burn Brute Camp if enjoy it, but for goodness sake, at least use the hormones, because that stuff's not good for you when we're talking about like the proper way to do stuff. And I think a lot of those people, to be honest, they're actually there because they like it. They're there, cause they think it's going to help them, and then there's the community aspect of it I think a lot of people like the community aspect of it, but I thing a lotta women are drawn to those type of settings because it's usually a 30 to 45, no longer than an hour workout.

they think, okay, I go for like, let's just say it's an hour long. Cause most of those are about like an F 45 minutes to an our long, they just think they go and I can get it over, you know, it was over done with. I accomplished it. If you don't have more than at least an an and a half to two hours for proper resistance training, change your routine up in your schedule, make your lifting days, three days a week, rather than pushing yourself six days week.

I have so many people who are like, oh, I do crossfit or a burn boot camp six day a weak. You should not be doing that. you are not going to lose any weight. Your only doing the thing that you're doing is your spiking your cortisol levels and your damaging yourself. your at a higher risk of, you know, injury. Spend to cut it down just instead of going six-days-a-week, go three-days- a- week and have the time dedicated to properly lift, properly train.

You're going to get more results training that way than training six days a week. Go and lift three days week and guess what? The other days, go and get cardio. go outside, Go to a yoga class. There's other ways to movement in your body. Do facet cardio those other day that you're not lifting. And that, you know, Sometimes like our schedules get busy and right now our workout regimen, we're doing three days a week,

full body lifting. The other days we are doing fast and cardio. Sometimes for us, we have to go to the gym on the weekends when we don't have things booked. I mean, when you're both creators and self-employed like every day is working. But there's sometimes like, yeah, like we can't, We might have spend like our Friday, Saturday nights and Sundays might be in the Gym lifting. you know we have to make it fit into our routine or schedule and I think a lot of women get caught up and i think people get a caught-up with just like

a quick like oh 45 minute workout like i can do that and Instead spend that 45 minutes doing fasted cardio and you'll get more results. Well, yeah, what I would say too is like even I think last week, because we had to go to that wedding over the weekend, we only lift it two times for the week. Now most people think, oh, if you only live twice a week you're going to lose all your gains, right? A, no, cause if your hormonally optimized and your using peptides and stuff, you don't. B to no because most of the time, like most, people if I took them to the gym with us to do those two workouts a That would be enough for them because

we're training properly. Instead of going to CrossFit where I'm harming myself, but it's really not enough to even stimulate muscle growth to get muscle in your frame or whatever. And then also too, I was lifting two days a week, and on those non-lifting days were my fasting days and I doing cardio on these days. So I have a bike in my house that I can do cardio, have bike outside I could ride and do a cardio. I go hike with a backpack on and a new cardio and go to the gym and the stairs if I want to. Go to gym to do the elliptical if want. and I can change all those things up.

And so I still get that fix of the exercise for me that's important, but I'm doing it in a way that is very low stress on my body. Also too, to kind of go back to that, is that because we have the hormonal optimization, we're using peptides, this is why you can work out three days a week and get results because our bodies are functioning better because we have the hormones to help us.

We have to peptide. Yeah, I would say even if you're not, three day a weeks should be enough if your training properly. Properly, yeah. But where the beauty of those come in is they help you maintain your body in a way where it's like if have a weak where you are gone or whatever, you not going to lose everything because the hormone are at a requisite level in the body that's healthy. maintain the muscle. And that's like the beauty of where you get to like, I'm not saying this like arrogantly, but when you to the point where we are, can we trim down like a couple percent body fat anytime? Of course.

Like, you know, like I not always like peak like 5% bodyfat all year, When I, because when you get your body to the baseline where you have muscle, muscle is so fat burning that it's like, okay, if I slack off a little bit here or there. Now I don't say that to someone like if you a lot of weight to lose, I'm not telling you to do that. When you like get really fit, it gets easier. So like when your fit it easier, but like all that stuff is in place so that I won't have to worry about like all these little things,

especially like when I was like a natty, you know, like, when i was trying to do like every little thing. It's like if I didn't sleep 30 minutes longer, my testosterone is not going to be high, whatever. I'm not saying you can cut corners, but living in the world gets a little bit easier and, not to get into this because I don't want to talk about it, the environment is so bad now. Most people don't even have a chance to begin with, like hormonally. Even if you do everything perfect, you're going to be still screwed because of how bad the environment is.

So when you say when someone's natty, I always thought that meant they're on stairboards. No, naty means like nati light, you know, like N-A-T- T-Y. Nati means that you're not using any sort of performance enhancement, which is kind of funny because like, what is natti? Is taking creatine natte? You know like you are not natural. You have plat, most people, no, all people in the United States right now have plastic in their blood. Do you notice what that girl meant when she asked if my legs were real at the gym?

No, she was asking if you had implants in your legs. Because that's the thing now, people put implants in their legs, or their butt. I think she was asking if her butt was real. Yeah, she wasn't asking, if you were using performance enhancing drugs, which you are, but like, what is, caffeine is a performance-enhancing drug. When I was an NCAA sanctioned athlete, If I did a drug test and I had too much caffeine in my system, Which I don't know, it's like probably more than a couple cups of coffee would test positive, I could fail a drugs test, and lose my eligibility for a year.

That's what I mean. People have this sanctimonious, holier-than-thou thing about, oh, I would never use testosterone or something like that. I think that's becoming less and less stigmatized. Yeah, definitely. Even in the last three months, so many people are becoming more open and more aware of hormone optimization, especially testosterone. Yeah, so just for an example, like when I look at all these people's blood work, man, there's different assay levels of free testosterone to get measured,

but just let's take the LabCorp one for example. You would want your free testosterone to be at a 25. I rarely, using that as unit of measurement, because there's different units of measurements, but let's just say, like most men will see symptom resolution of testosterone deficiency at a free testosterone level of 25 to 50. So that's where they'll feel good. Now that is like, broadly speaking, everyone is different, then also too you have to make sure like the unit measurement. But like this is the direct assay measurement on lab corpse tests on their labs.

I think the highest I've ever seen for a woman is 2.6. Yeah, if they're not using testosterone. So again, women are a little bit different. I can talk about that in a second. But like, I rarely will see any man with a number over 15. And these are guys that are like lean, healthy, fit, training everything. They're sleeping all the like... They are doing all of the biohacking stuff. they can't get their free testosterone up to a 25, naturally. i've not seen anyone that is natural that's not using therapeutic testosterone, get it up over a 15. Now I'm sure there's people out there,

but if you're saying the level which you'll feel good is 25, think of the vibratory field of humanity with all the men walking around on the planet right now that have seven, eight, 11 free testosterone. What they actually feel like. And I know because I was there when I wasn't using therapy testosterone my story's a little different as you guys know, mine didn't even register. So if it's below a five it doesn't register, on the left, it just says below five. It doesn't give you a number because it's so low. So mine was below 5, which is basically zero.

You want to be at 25 or above. Think of how that changes what's going on on a planet when we're talking about that. I can talk about how much better I feel having peptides, having hormones now that I'm taking that. How do you see a difference in me and in our relationship as somebody who's in a relationship with me prior to using hormones and now I have hormone and

I peptide optimization, how do see it Well, congratulations. You're the cult experiment perfect that you bought in perfectly to my cult. I'm kidding. But no, this is like a very good point, because I think when we look at success with couples, when you look like all parts of a relationship, I would argue that hormonal optimization is a major piece of that. If you have one person that is hormonally optimized and another person, that's not, there is just the same way.

you're not gonna be able to like coexist if you guys don't like doing the same stuff. You're gonna not be like able, I rarely see a marriage, especially like in one partner's like using hormones and the other one isn't, like not diverge. I'm not saying they'll like break up, but not de-verge at some point because what happens is you start to feel so much better, you wanna be around people that are also better. And I am not that you weren't that before you started hormone therapy and everything. But to your point, you are more resilient, meaning that most women, the default state for women and men too, but really women on the planet right now is anxiety.

And part of anxiety is not being resilient to be able to manage stress. So a lot of women have anxiety because they can't handle what's going on in the world. They can't handle just day-to-day life. Like it's too overwhelming and too hard for them. Now, is that like a societal thing? Is it a socioeconomic thing or is it physically? I think it is all, but the physical is a huge piece of that. You take the same person and you pull hormones out of them, versus give them hormones, the same situation will make them respond very,

very differently. And so when you look at like the resiliency that you have, whenever stress is introduced into the relationship through anything, it could be travel, or it can be like life circumstances, whatever, could it be moving, wherever, like your resilience, which is the ability to respond positively to stressors is much more improved. And the reason that's so important is because life is stressful. Things are going to happen in life that are outside of your control.

That's part of living life in third density. So if you don't have the hormones to be able to deal with stress, your life will be a train wreck. Mine was. Like that how I felt when I didn't hormones. And so for you, what I have noticed from the outside looking in, is that you're better able to handle stress, which makes a relationship much more enjoyable, because if we get stressed out for something rather than fighting about it, say if something happens to both of us, rather then us getting into a fight about,

we're more like, okay, like we can handle this, what's the response, how do we respond to this? You know, whatever, it's not that it is easy, but you are better to deal with that. So I'd say that's the first thing and then also to I think you're, to get to the spiritual woo-woo component of it, I thing you are much more connected to your feminine essence of what it means to be a woman. Instead of, like most women in the world today, trying to put on your manhood hat and your masculine cap and be like I'm out there and I am fighting the

good fight of a women. Women don't want to fight the fight. You just want a flow. be in a state of spontaneity and allow things to kind of flow. Yeah, like organically arise and all that. So I think you're more able to do that instead of being stuck in this feeling like you have to be like, not that, again, living in third density, you had to this, but you are stuck this like oh, I've got to, do this.

I got do do. This. to your feminine essence and things like that that you may have gotten hung up on before or whatever, you're kind of just like, oh, come on, I'll just let that take care of itself, so. Do you think that's, is that a fair assessment? I feel like it's a faire assessment. I do, feel that it is a fare assessment, and I am more connected with my feminine energy of I don't feel I have to be this,

overly masculine female of I have to provide, I'm independent, like I had to do it all and I still like, own two businesses, make my own money, independent but I don't have so dominantly masculine and that's It's so much better being that way and I have so less anxiety and feel

so more secure in my feminine energy that I feel secure to let myself feel and be that. It's interesting when you look at energy between masculine and feminine energy. When you at the same thing for a man that could make them feel good will give a woman anxiety. So like I feel if I accomplish or conquer a task, whereas that same things will get a women anxiety and drive her crazy because they're like, oh, I've got to like have this thing and there's all this stuff that goes around it.

Whereas like men, that's like what feeds them. And so you have all these women trying to do what men are doing, you know, and then you had all of these men trying what women do, which is like be stay-at-home dads or like do housework or whatever. And then it's like, women don't find that attractive, but like men, well, I mean, we could talk about that too, But I'm saying like the same things, like I don' feel good if I do Housework.

Like if I do my laundry, if i do, I've caught onto that. If I, do like I don't get a good feeling of doing my, laundry on the flip side of that and you could like call me out. But like you feel good if you fold laundry or do you hate folding laundry? Be honest. Does it feel like the laundry is like my least favorite housing. I like when it's finished. It's satisfying to you.

Yes and no, there's just a lot of laundry in this house. There's two of us. But I do feel accomplished when I finish it. I love a clean kitchen. When the kitchen is clean, the dishes are done the way I want them to be done. That is so satisfying to me. And doing laundry is satisfying. Especially when everything is organized and put away.

You could care less about what the kitchen is like. And I'm not going to walk around and trash my kitchen. I don't feel any better when the kitchens clean. Yeah, I feel so much better. Because I am so preoccupied with the stuff that I work on. You can't work with a dirty kitchen, but I can work if I clean the room. work when I know that my kitchen is a mess.

And that is something that I have to work on. But it is, yeah. I think a lot of relationships fail, too, because you have men trying to do the women thing and women trying the men thing, instead of just allowing them. No, I would rather you go outside and take care of the poison ivy. that's growing on something, then you touch anything in the kitchen. So that a good point. Why do women fixate on stuff that can be fixed in like five seconds?

Elaborate more on that. like with the poison ivy, which I'll go pull the Poison Ivy off the porch. It says serious like inhibition to your daily functioning to like have something that's very small. I mean, you just proved it with a kitchen. Like if there's like three cups on the counter, You literally can't do anything for the day until those things are addressed. Because like for women, like the home is our nest. And so think about a bird.

A bird's not gonna wanna go and lay on her eggs if her nest isn't super comfy. For us, the nest is like, and for me, I'm not saying all women are this way, but for my, my home is my nest. That is, that's my happy place. It is in my comfort zone. In my mind, it's like we've, accomplished of being able to live in a beautiful environment. Our home is, we're very fortunate to be living in the house that we live It just, I want it to be well taken care of.

It's like, it's our place. Almost like for me, my nest, is my comfort. it is like my little protection, like safe place and I. Want that to feel warm and feel cozy. Like, and when you know, you wouldn't want to come in here and film a video if there was a bunch of You know, paper scattered out. Like you even moved the camera bag. The camera was sitting up here. You moved that out of the way. When things are cluttered, the energy can't flow as well.

So like for me, like when the house is clean and the kitchen's clean, The energy flow out, food gets made with more love. the Energy in the home is more positive and that flows in and affects you. You know, if there's a bunch of clutter and there was like laundry everywhere and you had clothes all over the floor in the bedroom and There was, like, random, cups everywhere. The sheets weren't made properly. Like, a bed was messy.

You're not going to sleep as good. Everything has energy in it. the more stagnant, it's just gonna make more staccativity and it just not gonna flow as well. And so then you're gonna be focusing like, for me it like ugh, like I wanna relax, I want to do this, but I can't because there's like clothes everywhere. It's because of clutter. Because there is stuff, there more stuff piling up around you and that's absorbing your energy. Your energy can flow and move as freely.

Yeah. So I guess there's a vibratory dynamic, which I never thought about. Maybe I have, but like there was definitely a vibratory dynamic of like, spaces. So like, there's a reason like people in nice neighborhoods, like it feels good to be in a nice neighborhood. And it's because the people have like taken care of that. There's like a vibratory field around those things. Not that everything's perfect, but there is like vibatory around the houses and yards and everything of like oh wow, this is very well taken of.

When you feel that, you sense that energy. Women are more intuitive to pick up on that whereas men might not, even though it is still there. That's a really good point. I guess it goes back and forth like that feminine energy is the feeling. It's the flow. You know, does that make sense? Well, you need both. You need to both, and you both to make work. So it's funny because like... You can't always be airy, flowy like living in...

At some level, the house isn't gonna be perfect and then you're gonna have to do your work, but then at another level you can have McDonald's trash around your house. No, no. Like you gotta make your bed, You gotta do that stuff. Yeah. It's like a balance of like, yes, You want the house to be clean, but then also too, like if there's like one speck of dust on the top of your computer, it shouldn't stop you from doing your work for the day. No, I think for me, this is just me personally, a lot of women can relate to this.

It's not so much like the sanitized cleanliness, its the order. It's like, cause we have two German shepherds. There's dog hair right now on the kitchen floor, but that's not gonna keep me from working. It is the stagnant of like if there is like a ton of clutter and a lot of things left out that aren't in this place. That's for me where, and I think a lotta women can relate to that. Well, I think to your credit, you at least know that like you've done enough self work to know.

I don't think a lot of women to go back to the autoimmune disease thing. A lot. Of women are conscious of that mechanism going on in their mind and their body and soul and everything. And so they spend years and years dealing with that without ever realizing like, Oh, it's okay. You know, to like. Well, I'm not saying leave the kitchen dirty, but if you know it's there, then you can say, well, not gonna let that bother me.

You know what I mean? Like you just said with the dog, you're like, no, it there but you not going to let it bother you because it'll get addressed. But you still not let be trashy. I think a lot of women, they don't recognize that, so the stress builds up and then that manifests into physical disease, autoimmune disease eventually cancer, blah blah, and you name it. And it like... Most women just never know. And then they wake up one day, they have three kids, and they're 43 and what the heck just happened the last 15 years? And they are in a complete total state and their body is begging for mercy.

And then that's where they have to go on the next journey of picking up the pieces and finding out how to make themselves healthy. You can make yourself ill, you can yourself healthy, so. Very interesting. I think it all goes back to consciousness, levels of consciousness. Certain things calibrate in certain ways. It's up to us what we choose. We choose what level of consciousness we experience every single day. So you can choose to treat your body physically terribly, treat her house terrible and everything.

It was kind of funny, I just thought it just popped in my mind. I heard this podcast, read it in a book somewhere one time. Maybe you've been in like a car dealership when they would hire salespeople or something. They'd like bring them in for an interview and then they'd hold them like in the room or whatever and they go out and look in that person, the interviewee's car and see if their car was clean. And if they had like trash in their... I would not get hired. If they have trash, they wouldn't hire them.

And I always thought I was funny because it was like if you can't keep your own a house in order You definitely can you shouldn't be like especially with access cars. It's like yeah If you have a dirty car, what business do you like trying to sell the dream of a nice car to someone? You know, yeah, it's kind of the same thing. Like are you but how often trainer who's overweight? Yeah, I'm going to go to a stylist that doesn't do their hair like and comes in sloppy like I'm not saying there may be people that are good like there's probably actually a lot of really good stylists that yeah that probably like yeah but then it goes back to like who would you we all get to choose and

there I am sure there is great personal trainers that over weight for whatever reason but I know intellectually exactly how to train someone, like how do the movements and teach them whatever, and they probably are even good teachers, but then it's like, well, why wouldn't you want to live out the things that you espouse? And I think that's part of what we do, is it helps, in a way, keep you accountable, because if I hop on these videos, not that we all don't have our own personal health struggles and whatever. But if hop in these video, I'm telling you guys about peptides.

but I was like, 100 pounds overweight, you'd be like wow, that's cool, well you can tell me that, but you're not living proof. And I think that ultimately, whatever we're doing, we want to be living, proof, as they say, You shall know them by their fruits. The fruit that you bear should be, it should line up with whatever you are talking about. I agree with that. I mean, you could look at someone's family and it's like, if someone has a family that all the people love each other for the most part,

they're all, like you can talk bad about them all day, but it it like what are their fruits? Well, it is like they are healthy, happy, whole, complete and stuff, so what the fruits in your life that you're bringing about? You can talk about stuff on podcasts and everything all day, but it goes back to like, what are your fruits? And I personally feel a lot better. Like when I have fruits in my life, it's a lotta easier for me to get on a podcast and say something, because I know I'm not lying to people.

I think so many people, and I didn't even wanna go this route, like so people in the world today, through social media and stuff, It's all lying. Like it's just lies. People lie about like what they're doing. They lie. About stuff. I guess it sounds like maybe not even a direct lie but it like curated versions of stuff that's not the truth. And so like you're getting like this like very curated stuff and then it makes people anxious like well I'm not living like that. Then it is like yeah that person was like lying to you to begin with and they create this They're really good at marketing to create this ideal that you

think is what you're going to be that they're selling to you. It's just crazy. The more and more discerning you get, the more you can see who's a liar out there. Yeah. Remember that, because I know everybody, we all get on social media. Good for you, but we all get on social media We all scroll and you know I I do this a lot with my clients and like oh when they compare themselves like Oh, well, I saw This person you knows she always looks so perfect like in her fitness outfits or with like her husband and her kids It's like this perfect

picture looking situation. It''s like But I also know that like she, like there's something tragic going on in the relationship, but on social media it looks presented a certain way. And that's kind of like why, one of the things that I think is so great about us and so good about like how you and Jay, especially Jay's really good at this, of presenting stuff. look at people that are more real rather than the people who are like reading off of teleprompters or are marking the fact that they are this and that

and like rather then like with you and Jay I think is really good. Science. Trust the science. Yes but it's more so like you know just because this influencer is claims they have this like picture perfect life, this picture of perfect marriage, like with their children or like, with they're fitness, and they are telling you, I see this a lot with women, sorry I'm going on a rant now, i see a this lot of women and I used to do this, Like I use to be like oh man I wish I looked like that influencer's body,

she has an awesome body. Now I am just like I just use that more as an inspiration, but now I know that that influencers is taking growth hormone, she is taking antibiotics, and she's taking a lot of supplements. She's not getting it by hip thrusting and doing a ton of Bulgarian splits. it's not real. So connect more with real people that is more relatable to you.

Which I fully support the use of all of those. Yes, we totally support that. But also own it. Don't say that you're going to sell. I don't even think you have to talk about it. If that's what you do, obviously we like to. Talk about. But I think these, I. Think a lot of fitness influence are not transparent. They lie to people like, Oh, what I eat in a day. And they're eating cottage cheese, avocado toast, pasta, and you know, a ton of dairy and tofu, vegan, whatever.

And then they have this. Plus two, I use a growth hormone. Yeah. But like you're leaving out the fact that like, you can look like me if you eat like this, that's not true because you are taking antibiotics, your taking growth hormones, and you or taking things to enhance your figure. There's nothing wrong with that. I just wish more people, more influencers and more coaches would just be transparent and own that because I think it's lying.

Yeah, I we're moving in that direction, but the problem is most people would rather be lied to. Like they would actually, most people would rather be lied to by that person because they get to create this. Well, it's called as future faking. They're fantasizing of what this person is and like, they're fancizing over them. Yeah. And if they had to acknowledge that that was doing those things, It would take away their savior status to that.

Cause they'd be like oh, They are just a person too. fights in their head that I deal with in mine. They deal the same stuff. But if I buy their thing or whatever, which is nothing wrong, I fully support the use of performance enhancing drugs. I totally support selling stuff to people that want to pay you for stuff, like that's how the world should work. Um, but I think it's just people, they know what they're doing. they try to manipulate people. Like you kind of think about like this, when I was doing real estate, All the real estate agent training stuff that's out there,

they tell people like, this is how you got to talk to someone in a presentation or meeting or whatever. You got say this, you gotta get them to say yes three times. It's the same thing in the fitness world where people sell online coaching programs or wherever. They have people on a phone call and they have this script that they're taking them through. And that may work on unsuspecting people to an extent, but I think most people that are like half aware and half awake, they have a pretty good like discernment

and BS meter in their brain where it's like, if they're doing that for someone, like if you're hearing that stuff from someone it like makes them feel weird. And if their listening to a podcast with someone that's lying to them or like you know, doing whatever, like they're like, uh, something like seems kind of off. And I think it's easier if you just tell people like upfront what you want to do, what your intentions are. Like, okay, it says, and there's nothing wrong with like putting stuff on social media or whatever. But I just think, So many people, they think like, oh, I've got to do it this way because this, and I have to it do this to make money to lie to people.

And it's like actually when you tell the truth and you're much more transparent with people one, you are going to live a better life because you aren't going carry around this burden of feeling like you lying to the people like a fraud all the time and then also two, your going attract the type of people that resonate with your thing like whatever it is you talking about and so like oh that's cool like Taylor's just a cool girl that's like, just like me, that deals with the same things and she just learned that stuff. So I'd rather learn from her than some girl who's got all these hidden things that they're trying to do.

But I don't think, there's definitely people out there that are waking up to that, but then there are also people I think they'd just rather be lied to. They actually like knowing that the person's lying to them because it allows them to not accept responsibility for their own life. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's like influencer land. You know, like that people how we learn from peptides. I think it all goes back to like, I feel more secure with myself to where like I don't compare myself to those people.

I'm more secure in my body. A lot of people don't think I am that fit because of my torso. If you were to look at me on video, people have commented on my channel where her muscles, it's like, well, everything's being shot from here up. I have a very short torso. Most of my muscle is in my bottom half because that's where I specialize in. And I had a more wellness physique. You have to remember too, most of the people commenting on the internet.

So like the Internet is so that everyone deals on there. Everyone consumes the stuff from the Like, of the people that comment, that's like 1% of whole internet. So like, you're getting 1 percent of 1%, of people who say negative stuff, because most of this stuff is positive and then... Most of the people that are saying positive stuff don't even say anything. Yeah. If they're thinking positive. They're think positive, most people aren't gonna say it. Which again, shameless plug, let us know in the comments if you like this and this has been entertaining because it's been 56 minutes so far.

So if your still listening to this. Thank you. Drop a comment, thank you and then let know if like us to keep doing that. But the point is like, like people say mean stuff on the internet they would never say to a person. Yeah. But yeah, no, I feel like it does make me feel more... To the point about you feeling like you have a short torso, because you were looking at other people on social media and like, oh, like I don't have the body they have, whereas now you're like more confident like oh I kind of love my body. Yeah, now I love body right now.

I'm different. You're not a woman that's like six foot one. That's a supermodel, bird type looking, skinny as a rail type woman. you're not and that's like, you never want to be and you were okay with that. And there's people that are out there that were like that and it's okay for them and they love their bodies. So it helps you embrace more of who you are and know that that is okay and we're all progressing. I'm never going to a 300 pound bodybuilder and I don't have to look at guys like and compare myself to them.

I'm just so tiny compared to them. My arms will never be that big or whatever. It's like, no, I can be myself and have my frame and enjoy that and love that. How much better would the planet be if people woke up and were like oh, it's pretty cool to be me. You know, like it was pretty to cool. Pretty cool be you. Do you have anything else you want to talk about for the people out there? What's a parting message?

Say, don't judge yourself. Don't compare. And if you are interested in using peptides, do your research. If you're needing help with getting in touch with doctors that specialize in hormone replacement therapy, just keep looking. Reach out. If you guys have questions. Obviously, you know if you need help, where to go to find us. You can reach out to me.

Yeah. Can reach to Taylor. Her stuff, I'm going to put in the description in this video. But I think at the end of the day, When I look at my body of work and what I send out to people, I study a lot of marketing stuff. Obviously, that's my background. I've sold real estate, business, whatever. Business is marketing because you acquire customers, or whatever, when I get like, what message do I want to put out the people? I wanted someone to hear whatever I had to say. Hopefully, this is what you guys have heard from both of us today. That person's real.

And there's all these like contrived messages out there that prey on the lowest common denominator of human consciousness, which is like, like if we go on a video or podcast and I was like does your wife think you're a disgusting fat pig and never want to touch you? Well, if you use peptides, then that's going to be what makes your life love you. I would never, I hope, like I never want to say something like that to try to get someone to buy something from me. And part of like what we're doing with this podcast, at the end of the day there's like a competition out there for like everyone's attention.

That's like kind of the world we live in now. Like I want this podcast, the body of work, not only to be like something that you can listen to that it uplifts your consciousness in a real way. I'm not talking like, you know, like a fake guru type of way or a phony, spiritual guru. Yeah. That made my day better. It uplifts you, it puts you in a better mood and you go out and your healthier, happier, more prosperous and all those things. But then also too, I wanted to be transparent. When you hear that, there's like, yeah, like I got so much value out of everything.

I always tell people I want people to go to my YouTube channel and learn everything they need to know about peptides or whatever. So they didn't, they never have to listen to me again if they don't want to. But then if I do, I obviously have things there for them that they can buy. Like if want do that and they feel like they got value. Because imagine if like all the free stuff that I put out there was that good. Imagine like when you pay me, how much better it'll be. So that's like, you know, with this and everything, When I look at the future of my business, my life, like what I wanna create,

I want that on the world. I don't want the message of like, does your wife think you're a fat pig? Then buy this supplement or buy product or whatever. Yeah, but that's out there. And that's what men say to other men, but that it's like, what do women say other women in their marketing? You can say the same thing, it just worded differently. Women try to make each other feel arguably worse through the manipulation that they do and everything.

Well, I think that's an hour, folks. Again, the biggest show of support you could give for this is just give us your feedback in the comments and let us know if this was helpful if you like listening to this whole thing, because obviously this a time-consuming endeavor, but I want it to be beneficial for us because it's a good way for like us to flesh out ideas. And then we get more feedback on what type of content make for you guys and it's like helpful to you, guys, as you're on this journey.

So, I'm Hunter. I am Taylor. And that'll be it for today and we'll see you in the next one. Bye guys. Peace.