The Next Big Things in Biohacking · EMF, Peptides, and Superhuman Performance with Alex Kikel

0:01 you Hey, you're right. This is Hunter Williams. I hope you are doing amazing. Wherever you at in the world, I am super excited today because we have an incredible guest that needs no introduction.

0:31 His name is Alex Kickle. If you haven't heard of him and you watching our stuff, probably have heard them, but you need to go look them up. Alex, thank you for being here today. Both Taylor and I are extremely excited to get to talk to you and The people listening are extremely excited because we're going to talk about some very cutting edge stuff heading into 2026. What is out there and what we can potentially do to help improve our health and everything. But Alex, thank you for being here. How are you doing today?

1:02 Love you guys so much. Love being here. Appreciate you having me. It's just cool. There's a fun workout earlier. Get to see the house, see dogs. Like it's cool to get a little look into your lives. Yeah. Thank you. That's so funny because so many people will ask us so, much like, are you involved with Alex? Do you know Alex. I'm like Alex is our brother. He's our family. Yes, we know, Alex, so it just so great. Well, and I personally have gotten multiple multiple requests to have Alex to do shows together so even better than doing a live stream or online stream

1:37 is to Have you here in person first thing? Let's just talk about because we've been talking about this kind of all day We're in an EMF soup right now because We have our podcast studio that has like 20 Wi-Fi devices and everything now we do have a blue shield that hopefully is mitigating some of those negative frequencies coming from the wifi. But you were talking about some pretty cool stuff earlier. Um, let's just take your house on a daily basis at home. What for you and your family do you have, uh, right now that you think is really beneficial to help with some of the negative things coming for me.

2:11 So we actually can't start there for a specific reason, but it starts the conversation. Okay. When we built our new house, we wanted it to be like our Mecca, our paradise. So I thought, cool, okay, I'm gonna deck it out. Every square inch can be covered in quantum blocks. That was kind of like, you know, back then as the original introduction for me, for managing all these non-coherent EMS. We'll talk about terminology too. But set up like seven blocks everywhere. And for a month, no one could sleep. Everyone had way too much energy, but everyone felt incredible.

2:41 So it's interesting, cause we're all sleep deprived, and this is the dogs, this the kids. and so there's very unbiased, like I knew what was going on. Lindsay did, because she doesn't believe in half the stuff. And the dogs and the kids, like, they really don't know. And then we finally adapt. They're like okay, I did this way too fast. It's definitely a stepping process. That's why I can't really start with what we're doing because I think everyone does have to slowly graduate up from that. Yeah. it's tough. Let's take a step back to understand all this stuff. So you have all these different waves, right? So if you an electrical wave, that electrical pattern will create a magnetic field.

3:14 So if you have a couple of different waves, you'd have more like transverse waves and more, like, scalar longitudinal waves. Transverse wave, let's say they're like more jaggedy, right? Those are going to be oscillating essentially up and down, whereas those longitudinal scalar waves are gonna be more side to side. So as you are creating that electrical field, say energy comes into your house and then goes through, hits the whatever kitchen appliance, around that electric outlet, it's gonna form a magnetic field. so the electricity and the magnetic dynamics have to always be The reason why that's important is because you can really separate these into coherent and

3:49 non-coherent fields. So we talk about coherence. Think of coherences like the healthy stuff. Like that means cells are communicating, mitochondria are firing properly. Coherence is good, right? That's a healthy cell. non-coherence or incoherent is kind of the state of chaos disorder. If you look at it from like a geometry standpoint, that's more 90 degree angles. We said before that more cancer cells. That's one of things that we do not like. Those chaotic, noisy things. The dirty electricity coming off your walls, right? It's coming out. And if you actually would listen to it, like from an audio-based aspect, it sounds like scratching nails on a chalkboard,

4:23 don't like that versus you hear a more coherent field. And it just, it sounds like it should. It sounds a normal noise. it's not chaotic. Its not unstructured nature. Doesn't hurt your ears to listen to. The reason why I got to start with all that is because we're trying to understand what we are trying manage here. We're essentially trying look more at non coherent EMF because electromagnetic fields are coming from the earth, from sun, the stars, everything. So we try to look at that first and foremost. Now, another thing to talk about peptides and everything later on, right?

4:55 It's not about the strength as much as the pattern of the frequency. So as we're talking right now, in terms of a pressure-based standpoint, this is more like talking about a milli-Pascal, that amount of pressure. Whereas in the atmosphere above us, it's about 100 kilopascals. The atmosphere is a billion times stronger. But you can't hear the atmosphere. You can hear me talk. So it's not about the strength. It's about pattern, the frequency. And so that's where this whole conversation of the difference between 5G, 4G positive, negative, we'll say, it really non-coherent and coherent EMF.

5:33 Because the EMf we're getting from the sun, from earth is all positive. So we're trying to manage the non-coherent AMF. And that's where it takes us to the conversation. Now we are, OK, what could we do to mitigate that? There's active, there are passive, and there's more dynamic devices. So the Blue Shield shot out the brand and brands the man. The brand is awesome. He's so cool, he really knows his stuff with this. It's just more active and dynamic. so the way the blue shield works is it's basically putting out that sets of frequencies. So again, he did it really cool. We won't get too much into like Fibonacci sequences and things like that, like golden geometry and phi ratios, but he has it set up so it's spitting out

6:10 different frequencies that are variable every time. Same way nature does that. So you go outside, it's never the same frequency repeated. It's always variable patterns. So his device, Blue Shield, gets back there. Yeah, right behind it. He's putting out those frequencies so that we basically don't hear the frequencies coming off of everything in this room. That's more like it working in an active way to do that, but also dynamically because it is changing with the environment. Whereas a lot of things, like when you're traveling and you have, can I bring it up? The whole Heal Capsule, the Ares technology, these are more, what I define as more passive devices, where you had fractal antennas or you'd have geometry

6:47 of all these different things or like the quantum nature of like Leela, or they're starting like stack generators and they can just geographically locate, entangle, and basically change that incoherent to coherent fields. These obviously working differently. these more on the passive side of the things. Now, that's still cool. They're all beneficial. To me, I don't think there's one that is better than another. Now it obviously depends. For a whole room, this isn't going to do much. Yeah, just right next to you. Exactly. Or like a quantum block, or the quantum upgrade, of the LFE, L-F-E-S, F-L-A-P.

7:17 Focus life force energy. I always mix them around in there. Too many similar letters right to each other. exactly. F L F E, right? Yeah. All of those, as you kind of work up orders of magnitude, what do we say? The strength also doesn't matter. It's about the pattern, the frequency. So over the years, I found the combination of all of them starting low and then building up tends to work better for everyone. Because we're not just looking at like what's happened now, but to me, it's that cellular imprint to what happened to us for the last 30 years. And so I think for most people, start off with something simple.

7:49 Buy a blue shield for a house, just get one, put it in, zero respond, or buy a quantum block. serious blood. Give that time and you'll start picking up on the little things. You'll notice sleep will be easier. Energy production will easier and then little thing fall from that libido, fat loss. Slowly little think so but you feel happier. Stress feels less stressful. And from there I think you graduate up and eventually the original question like what's in my house, it's everything. I just talked to Brandon the other day. We're gonna have that decked out with Blue Shield. But you have all the Lila Quantum stuff, the FLFE got it right that time.

8:20 Like all that stuff stacked out, but it's a slow gradual process or else you do get overstimulated because ATP production just dumps out like crazy. Yeah. I want to ask you this because we were talking about the focused life force energy. Basically they can measure where it would be the Hawkins scale of consciousness where like a location Or even I've heard of them measuring the population in general, can vibrate at a certain level. For people that don't know what that means, basically, you have a scale of consciousness. If you look up David Hawkins' map of Consciousness, it's basically from zero, which would be the lowest vibration, shame,

8:53 fear, to 1,000, would would the highest vibration possible, I guess, in a human body. But Alex was telling this because I think they measured your house, right? do you think that what something like a house or a location vibrates at has to do with the EMF? Meaning let's say Taylor and I, because this is very important to us right now, want to create an environment for our children that they're born into that vibrator at a high level. And this not like woo woo, it kind of sounds woo.

9:23 But if we want create the environment that like vibrators at the highest level for a child to come into, obviously emotions are very important, but that obviously lifestyle and everything is very to like what your location would vibrate at. But how much do you think like the negative EMFs actually affect like, the vibration of a house? And do think, like when they were measuring that at your house, probably that played a role in like how well it measured it. tremendously. Like, so I hate to say it, but like blanket statement, any cellular process will be improved or made worse by non-coherent or coherent AMFs.

9:58 And I'm trying to stay away from the good and bad, like the baby terms. Cause it's all there, right? Like it all part of life. It's just happens to be like in the case of a 5G tower, it is a different frequency that is not what is more native to us. That's exactly, I always use the example. This isn't exactly right, but kind of gets the point across. Sweet potato versus donut. that sweet potato yet has vitamins and minerals and fiber and cool stuff. But the way its molecules are spinning or resonating at a subatomic and sub quantum level or more cohesive for their biology,

10:29 our body knows what to do with it. Versus the donut basically dyes, artificial colors, flavors, sweeteners, all that stuff, like, okay, we get that. but it's resonating differently. It's more incoherent, so we eat it. Body doesn't know what to do with it, it obviously figures it out, but the same thing happens with structured and unstructured water. So normal bottled water, dead water that doesn' have any kind of pulling apart to try and come back together. That's not the pulling the parts that are coming back to together, that actually structures it and orders it right? We drink that water our mitochondria, our cells restructure it but that's ATP you waste trying to restructured it versus drinking your water that's already

11:03 ordered and structured, it already knows what to do with it. So you can figure it out. Our bias, obviously, figured out people are still living to be 80 plus without doing any of this stuff. But we're not here. No one listening cares about just living at 80. Everyone wants to 100 plus and vibrant and healthy. And that, I think, all this comes in. If anyone's listening and you just want to 80 years old and then pass, that cool, do you. That's not what this conversation is about. Yeah. You cycle that back to the whole world of gestation and pregnancy. And going back to the angulature, like if you look at a, and it's super cool, but that anglature of like a baby being born,

11:35 those cells in the cells of tumors are almost identical, meaning nine degree angles. You look, the architecture is pretty similar. So you're seeing kind of the life cycle and the polarity of life and death being the same. Wow. so technically something that could be killing you as a tumor, kind the the cluster of environments nucleically that is there whenever you are building a So taking that back to the magnetic conversation, we were trying to pull all the stress we can off of our cells and form coherent cells. So if you can imagine these cells, right, where, and Brandon always says stack polar lipids, so I'm stealing that from Brandon,

12:11 all right? So stack, polar, lipid, you have hydrophilic, lipofilic end and electrons that'll flux back and forth. As your cells' mitochondria communication goes down, they get less healthy, that flux doesn't happen as well. That cell membrane becomes more rigid. It starts holding in these endotoxins and never dumping them out. And so you get these fragile dysfunctional cells that can't flux an electron. They can really do much besides hold on to that resonance state, which that's an incoherent state. And so if you're trying to get as healthy as possible, you look more at cellular coherence.

12:44 That's where all this magnetism work comes in. And that's why the PEM technology comes, and it's all coming back to this. So fertility-wise, if your trying build a bicep or build your glutes, or build a baby, like it's all pretty similar. Babies are obviously more important than some biceps and glutes, but like you gotta have all of the rock constituents there in place. So I think this is like, and I'm terrible with analogies, But I this might work. Like the house, right? If you don't have the baseline structure, if you have a foundation built, everything on top could work, eventually it is going to fall over.

13:15 The same thing. To me, the magnetism, electric, water, that's like the base line stuff. It's very similar to how we explain and talk to people about using SLU-PP332 and having bad mitochondria and you don't want to start something like that and spin unhealthy mitochondrion without going in first, treating and healing the monocondria. So it's interesting how that kind of ties back in. It's funny because as kids, like, aren't we kind of taught, kind baseline up, be a good person, do the right thing, work hard,

13:47 have fun. And it's like everyone's trying to build your foundations, your basics. I think we become adults and we forget because we can go to the sexy stuff, especially in like this, the longevity, peptide community. It is the next thing. The next and I get it. This stuff is super fun, but if those foundational pieces aren' t there, whether you believe them or not, just try it out. And you'll see right away all of a sudden your peptides work better, you lose fat faster, your relationship is better because you're more attracted to your partner. Orgasms feel better. Sleeps better like you name it. Things just slowly improve because your taking care of the basic things that make you a human.

14:20 With structured water, do you have any devices that you use to structure water in your house? And what are those? Biggest fan of natural action. So the original guy who I first heard about it was Jonathan Butts. And he was one of those guys where for me, I personally learned so much from him, indirectly, only ever heard him on podcasts. He sadly passed since then, but Todd Shipman introduced me to that whole crowd and he knew things about water that I didn't think anyone else knew. Like I thought certain things but I never heard anyone verbalize them until I heard them.

14:51 I was like, okay, connect with this guy, get that. And I wish he was still alive, because I'd love to talk with him. But if you look at Natraction, the way they're doing it is really cool. So we're going back to how things are done in nature, right? So let's kind of pull back a little bit. We have sun. we have Earth, so sun is giving off all these different kinds of cosmic energies. It's giving up all of these cool bits of electromagnetism. Earth's iron core is basically spinning, resonating, and creating that field around it, If you look at the cells, cells in our body,

15:24 what are they doing? They're spinning, they have a nucleus, a core, and they're creating what? A magnetic field around them, an electromagnetic field. What's happening with water? The exact same thing. So you kind of look like we as humans compared to nuclear reactors, compared with the earth and that sun, it's all exactly the same. Earth is mainly water, we're mainly the water. The structuring process is also very similar. So it's more happening from spinning of ATPase and mitochondria versus happening in nature. In nature, coming out from the top of the mountain, hitting over the rocks, picking up minerals and things like that.

15:56 It's that left and right spin that everyone talks about. And again, you say like the woo-woo world, right? But like, the energetic world it is looking at mask and the feminine energies. Cool part about that is as it pulling the waters apart, It's not the pulling apart that matters. Water's trying to come back together. So it's that implosive versus explosive physics that no one really cares about anymore. As it is pulling back, it orders and structuring the water in a way that allows it to pick up and carry information and minerals, sequester toxins and all that stuff. So it's cool, because if you actually look at this under a dark microscope, so if freeze it, you can see the clear difference between the snowflake frozen

16:33 structure water and the disorganized, disordered, just dead water, right? Fluoride-infested tap water. And music can play a difference, too, with that. Yeah, even speaking, what he was talking about with the millipascals, although that's pressure, your still having vibrations that are coming off. You can prove that just by, if I were to start screaming at you right now, You feel the energetic change. So just your voice in that pressure in the resident state changes also has an impact on water. And remember, everyone knows the old studies where they said, I love you to water, and it actually did make it more coherent.

17:10 Yeah, the pictures are crazy. It's like death metal and it was like fracture, probably like 90 degree angles in there. And then the other ones are like, look like a perfect snowflake. Yeah. That's exactly right. So like natural action, they have a portable unit, a house unit. We're about to actually get installed the entire house. or it will structure it, filter it add hydrogen to it like that, a bunch of cool stuff. So it depends. Like everything we're gonna talk about today, degree of budget. The cheapest portable unit is $200. That's what I believe all their testing was done on.

17:40 And all the tests are amazing. As you go up, you can get the under the sink after the RO unit, because you don't wanna do it before the RRO where it kind of takes the purpose. Or you have the whole house unit. or you have the shower heads and things like that. But basically, the rough mechanics of all of them is that they have that chamber, and they had these lipofluorine spheres, right? So geometrically, they are so perfect. The mathematics he worked out going back more, I believe, more phi ratios and cool stuff like. Right? The water will come in vortex. It'll spin under and lap over itself.

18:12 So like the geometry of houses with a lot of 60-degree angles where energy can fold over, itself the same thing happens in the water. Yeah. You can essentially create almost like a void of energy in there while it's picking up everything from the lipofullerines. So what he did, which again, I think is just really cool, is they have a lot of minerals and elements from The North and South Pole. Because they're trying to create, like trying, to make like, a little mini earth in their. Yeah, so the water can actually have the vortexe and spin, can create that void, and pick up on a charge or create its own charge, structure itself in, then pick it up and remineralize.

18:44 If you do that, it will sequester any toxins in the Plastic smirkery like things like that. Yeah. And so natural action is easily my favorite company. I would be obviously for drinking. That's really cool. But think about like hair. How much have you washed your hair? Yeah, because like we have well, it's like a community well here, but we notice changing. House we moved from had tap water, obviously your hair responds, skin responds differently than that well water. So we drink spring water out of bottles that we drank.

19:15 But then you think how much of the other water in her house has probably got some treatment to it. Who knows? And we use the oxygen tub too. Think about we're soaking in that oxygen You're getting oxygen nanobubbles, but there's probably also some like less coherent form of that water. I want to ask you to about carbon genetics and Basically the way I've heard you say, cause I love that device.

19:47 I haven't really talked about it that much, but basically you're inhaling CO2. It's kind of like CO two therapy. And that's actually, you've said structuring the water inside of us. Can you talk about that and how important that is? Carbogenics, again, favorite brand, love it. I always try and promote good people, good products. You have to have both. As I mentioned on this podcast, Rain Podcast, it's good, people good product. So Steve, the owner over there, awesome dude, as you guys know, with inhalable carbon dioxide. It's funny because it kind of, they were doing, who was it?

20:17 They started doing the under the pool training to train their breathing, to increase how they're handling carbon di oxide. And I forget who is doing it, but it was like the next wave in longevity, which is still awesome. But you can also inhale it and improve carbon-dioxide tolerance. You can also do it with breath holds. All amazing, this is more the machine version. So essentially the good old Bohr effect, B-O-H-R, that is how oxygen delivery happens. Oxygenation to any cell, any organ, anything in the body, it has to be following carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide tolerance turns oxygenation into handling.

20:47 So that means getting oxygen to every tissue is carbon dioxide dependent. Even cooler than that is you have those mitochondria, they're spinning, right? That membrane potential, which can go up or down based on if you're hyper or hypopolarizing, so over or under spinning. You can actually go ahead and improve the memory potential so it can flux nucleotides better. And then the mitochondrion can do what? Spin off my ATP and then do structure more water. So I always say like the good old, you know, Jared Pollock, like H3O2, the structural water, hexagonal water. It's really not that what our body's creating.

21:19 Like even, and I don't know Jared Paul personally, super brilliant guy. I think what he puts out there is one fourth of what's going on. And I he knows that, but you can only say so much that can't be proven yet. So there's this other three fourths of the eggshell, the innards of hexagonal water that no one really talks about because we kind of don't know. Because the best we know is basically like ether, which is like energy of universe. And then you kind like see the living embodiment of that being plasma. Living embodiments of basically being water. But it's like a lot of this stuff you can't really tease out just yet.

21:52 In the research, you cant bring it up or just kind get made fun of. So regardless, what this is doing is improving how your body, how you're mitochondria producing the water it spits out. Cause it'll fuse oxygen, hydrogen, right? It's improving that process. So your will get better at structuring its own water. Yeah. I will say, I feel amazing. Actually ran out of CO2 at my little tank, but I was doing it every day. And it's like, you feel doing that. It kind of funny and actually that makes sense now because you talk about like breath holding kind that endorphin rush people get from holding your breath.

22:23 Don't, don't recommend holding a breath too long, obviously, Everyone kind of knows that endorphin rush when you like hold your breath and then you release it. It actually feels very similar to doing the CO2 therapy. When you're done, you kind have like this endorfin release. You feel really good, but you relax at the same time. So I love that stuff. Leading into... Oh, go ahead. Just to sell the carbon dioxide stuff more. Some people don't care about structuring the water of their body. The body composition changes. Like the whole BFR occlusion work is based on localized carbon oxide tolerance.

22:53 So you can literally use it to build more muscle tissue. If you exhale those carbons, it means you're breaking off chains of fat. And if you want to get better at fat loss, improve your carbon dioxide tolerance, you can do the breath holds with like some PBO walks outside to improve how you beta oxidize all those fats. You can go ahead and take it before training session if you're an athlete to improved oxygenation. So VO2 max goes up, endurance goes out. I feel like carbon di oxide inhalable is one of those things where I don't see anyone that couldn't benefit from it. It's definitely in those categories of put it on the wish list for a rainy day.

23:25 Yeah, I love that stuff. Well, actually, that leads me to another question. Talk about your PBO walks, because I'm a big fan of the walks. It's kind of almost like a religious attachment for Taylor and I to walk. One thing that is very ritualistic for us is to always walk after our meals, especially our dinner meal at nighttime. When that's when we walk our dogs and our dog's basically demand it now. So yeah, dogs refuse to go to the bathroom at night. unless we walk them, even though they have like a whole acre of land to go to the bathroom, they will not go the bath at night unless,

23:58 we walked them. That's cool though. Yeah, but tell us about your PBO walks through the way I've heard that framed is very, very cool. Yes, so I apologize to everyone because I make up so many words. I don't do it, try and be cool, I just literally, can't find definitions out there, words that make sense. And so, full honesty, on that guy, sorry. PBO parasympathetic beta oxidation. That's the energy system. We're using when we're resting right now. Like I'm pretty jacked up. So I probably not more of a sympathetic state because I am excited, but you guys are pretty calm.

24:29 You're more PBo state, right? You are more using fat from intra. It's all in appearance. It's all show. I mean, for real though, so like you have these adipocytes and you're pulling out these triglycerides and cholesterol and dumping that into the bloodstream to use energy. So this is like the resting state if you are good, if your dysfunctional, unhealthy, you not good in this PPL based world. So the walks really started off with me and Lindsay, so my wife, like we would go outside, we'd take our walks and we just talk about life. And I realized the more we did that, not only one did you get more in touch as partners, you had a better emotional involvement of the process.

25:05 You picked up on some cool cosmic energies of being outside different frequencies and photons associated with that. But the coolest thing about that was, well, at the time, the cool thing Cause I thought all that was cool, but at the time I was losing a lot of fat. Cause this was back in like the bodybuilding days. Like, oh wow, like this is cool. I'm gonna keep doing it cause I lose a bunch of that. It's because you can get so parasympathetic, your heart rate should drop on these walks. So maybe you're starting off with like a 80, you know, resting heart. You should go down to like 75, 65, something like that, You just get to so relaxed, so calm.

25:35 We'll get better at that PBO system. And number one, to drive more recovery, we'll drive for fat loss. In overall, just feel better. You then can graduate up from there into more passive or what I call passive, or active manifestation. So this is where you either if you're taking a walk by yourself, that's more to me the active Manifestation. When I do that, basically every Monday through Friday, I'll take these walks and I will go over all the goals. And it always starts off with me with my family. It's always okay. Goals for the family for day, for week, the life, everything, right? And then it's the goals for the month, goals the day, and it what else I wanna do for world, for business, but I'm actively telling myself what I want

26:10 to happen and what my goals are. And it always with positive intentions. It's not like I went to hit X amount of income this month because I need it. it might be something like, I would hit x amount income month this because that'd be freaking cool. Like it putting a positive spin on everything and not being in that fear, danger response where you think you need something. You'll realize the universe will do it at once. We kind of have to go along with that. But in reality, we can control what I think is about 95% of reality.

26:40 You have accept polarity. There's that 5% chaos we cannot control. And that's whenever you're taking your walk and the bird craps on you. Then you slip and you bash up off the ground. That's happened to me. And it's not fun because you're in the zone and then you like get sucked out of it. But it like, you know, get up, okay, I'm going to finish my walk. It's all good. I'll clean up the poop. Brush my elbow or whatever. Take care of my when I get home, right? That's more of the act of manifestation. More of a passive is whenever you guys are outside walking together, walking with the dogs where in back of your mind, those subconsciously are always going,

27:11 always putting that, that you are putting out those vibrations into the universe, but you more focused about the relationship. We're talking about your days or the dogs or something like that, but passive is still in the background working for you. So that's kind of the PBO walks, then active passive manifestation. Yeah. I want to ask you a question about heart rate. And this will probably lead into some peptide stuff. So there's a peptid called Reta-Trutide. Never heard of it. It seems to be really popular. But there is this phenomenon where Renta-Trutide will raise your resting heartrate in a lot of cases.

27:45 Now, the question is, is there a good range of heart rates to BM? And someone taking red, a fully going into it, knowing because I have a lot of people that are very fit that I've worked with. Maybe the resting heart rate is like a 45 and they take red and it goes up to 55 or 60. And they panic. They're like, Oh my goodness, my identity. Or I had this like badge of honor because of my resting. Heart rate was 45. to which one I would say might not always be the best thing in a lot of cases.

28:15 Um, but let's say someone starts right at, they see the resting heart rate go up. They probably see their HRV go down cause everyone worships at the altar of the aura ring now because it tracks everything and stuff, which I don't think is a bad thing. I use it myself, But I also think it's data and let us like use. It is. A piece as a component rather than like the, the alter to worship at. Do you see there being an issue where someone has that increase in heart rate, given the benefits that they're getting from the peptide, or is it something to like really get concerned with and be worried about?

28:48 And then maybe it's a signal that the dose is too high or that's just not going to be a good peptides for them. So from like a cardiologist standpoint, any good cardiologists basically say like every beat over 70 at rest is going to take off X percentage of your lifespan or whatever arbitrary numbers you want to put there because the numbers don't really matter. But it seems to be basically above 70 beats per minute at risk. That's usually when things could be better. Right? Your heart's working so hard at that point, and usually it's more like a sinus rhythm problem, or a lot of people in today's society,

29:18 it is that neural input, right? Like it getting that tachycardia response because you opened up Instagram, your best friend posted a squat that you didn't get. So you have that sinus, so it sinus input that basic rhythm, like your heart will beat without neural inputs at 100 beats per minute. So, if you're pulling it down to 70, neurologically, psychologically, you are in a better parasympathetic state. So technically, it's a lot more neural than it is cardiac in nature, but you have to fix, they don't wanna fix the cardiac. Ideally, sub 70 when you resting, that changes drastically on fitness levels and genders.

29:50 Obviously, usually guys are bigger than girls. That's the big consideration there. But even at that, I think most people have a good range. Actually, what are your resting heart rates, both of you, roughly? So if I'm not taking Retta, usually like 55 to 60, and then Retha can bump it up like it can hover like low or high 60s. So it'll maybe be like 65 to 69 with Reta. And then I would say like on a good night, it probably is closer to like 65. If I've been stressed or whatever, might be closer like 68, 69. It's rarely

30:25 over 70. Taylor's is actually much lower. Hers is usually, even on Retta, probably like a 55 to 60. Without Retha, Probably around 50. But. That's kind of the question is like, is that cause for concern? Like, am I shortening my life or potentially causing harm from taking it from like 55 to 65? You know, or is just kind like what I kind think of that too is, like well, if I was in a fat loss phase, which I'm kind naturally inducing with RETTA, Is that also going to cause my heart rate.

30:56 Cause if I was like dieting really hard, that probably raised my right to lower my HRV. And so it's like, is it just inducing that to where it was a little bit more easy for me to do? And the same thing is happening. And that's why I ask that it's the perfect example where the female, a little bit of change, not too crazy, but the guy you see noticeable change. Neither ones to me are either cause for concern. It's normal when you go up by like 20 points. If you're like a fifties, now you are hanging out at the eighties or seventies like something's on there, But there is that degree of changed once you start actually driving Bay Dock station that hard.

31:27 So with RETA, it'll bind so hard to that GIP component, a little less to GLP and very little to Glucagon stimulation. That G IP component gets potentiated by the glucagon. So it's basically GLT, more suppression, turning up the signal and then driving the metabolic effects. Just enough that glucogon will drive so much extra beta-oxidation lipolysis. Lipolysis pulling out of fat cells, breaking off the triglyceride heads and all that fun stuff, dumping in the bloodstream, oxidizing mitochondria. If you're pushing mitochondria that hard, what else does that sound like if you hyperpolarize?

31:58 With SLU or anything, your heart rate goes up. So anytime you massively overdrive mitochondrion, hyperpolarize, or drive metabolism up in this way to drive beta-oxidation, heartrate goes. Yeah. To me, that's a reasonable amount. Like anytime most people diet, most guys are going up 10 to 15 points. It's not that bad. Now, if you're starting off as a guy at like 100, you go to like 115, we got problems. If you are in the 60s or whatever, going up to maybe even the 70s in that context, it's that not bad, and then usually women have less tachycardia,

32:28 they usually have more bradycardial responses, so heart rate gets too low. and then they can't pump out enough oxygen systemically, then we have the good old menstrual cycle, which definitely helps things, right? Because then blood's volume is low. You have less distribution, less volume, and all of a sudden women are passing out. They're getting lightheaded because they're taking retichide while they are going through a pretty heavy menstruation cycle. So that's another thing to talk about a lot of women don't. A lot people don' talk with women taking a retchide and going to their menstruate cycle It can have the opposite effect. If you're more anemic, it'll cause you to have more bradycardia.

32:58 So your 45 beats will go down to like 35. And then you start to problems. Blood pressure drops, hypotensive, and then kind of pass out. Yeah. I think that's actually, I'm not going to say more dangerous, but I've talked to a lot of people that are almost like, so I heard it categorized as super fit, super sick. As you have people who chronically diet for long periods of time, males and females, but like, I think it's more dangerous to a female that's menstruating, probably cause we're gonna have more neuroendocrine shutdown. And you see this like heart rates of like 35 beats per minute.

33:31 It's almost, do you think something is like actually so like it to become so much like their nervous system is actually like too low to the point to like they're actually going to start to have like a hormonal shutdown that can affect their menstrual cycle and have a negative cascade in that sense. Back to polarity, right? Too high or too low is just as bad. And I do see a lot of women more favoring that side of things. Then you also have the problem of if that cardiac tissue, like everything else, is not stressed and there's no demand imposed upon it, there is never adaptation. So then guys have heart attacks, but then females are the ones that have weaker hearts.

34:03 They have to exert themselves and then something pops, something breaks, and something goes. Usually like a septum problem, bikini problem. Like there's a weird dysfunction where this guy's like, oh, LVH or like something pretty specific. For women, it's usually the odd things that happen because they get such an almost an atrophied heart. Then it can't pop out effectively. And then you have to go save the kid from whatever the car and it doesn't explode, but you know, something goes wrong. Usually from like valve aspect as well. What do you see with a lot of women in GLPs that they seem to struggle with?

34:35 Definitely the heart rate. Yeah. From being too high. Being too highly. I think a lot of women. I'm not like a big tracker. Like, I haven't worn my Oura ring in a while, because it stopped working, and I need to get a new one. Well, good. You didn't get any Bluetooth or EMF while you were sleeping, so there you go. I know. A lot of women get very fixated on the numbers. And I think when they start using Reta, they see that heart rate, you know, that goes up.

35:07 They start getting so freaked out about the number. they're not also taking consideration the mental stress that they are already under. Now we add in something like RETTA that's also going to speed up the metabolism. There was already kind of a foundational problem to begin with. Exactly, and then so player on top of this, cause we're talking about GLPs, not that it's gender specific, but I do see more women have more of an emotional attachment, which societal wise makes sense, right? We're seeing atrophying of brains kind of happening clear across the spectrum, especially in females, because as we look at the prefrontal cortex,

35:44 like different singlets and parts of the brain that are involved in like willpower, resistance, temptation, those all get blunted and downregulated on GLP's. which is fine because usually you could stay at a super low micro dose where that doesn't affect you. So like the 10 micrograms a week or a hundred micro grams a things like low, low dose just for inflammation, you know? And then you work it up for fat loss or whatever you're doing. As the dose goes up over time or as frequency goes over and you never take time off, rotate off. You're seeing those brains, those cortical regions atrophying.

36:15 You could overcome that with some basic neuroplastic work, nootropics, things like that. But we're seeing that overabuse of GLPs causing people to no longer have like drive to overeat or binge, right? They don't have drive for anything. They start losing their willpower for everything. It's like, I pick up the kids from school, wait 30 minutes, like it's not a big deal. Like, you know, I don't want to work out today. I'm just tired. Like all of those things usually are the initial signs of atrophy of the brain. And that sounds scary than it really is. It's not that hard to avoid. But it's something that does keep coming up. You also have the weird thing now with GLPs, especially retichotide, where as you work the dose up, there's a phenomenon that can either cause receptor

36:52 decay or receptor upregulation. The problem is both of them usually require more of a dose or mathematically and geometrically a different molecule, different ligand to bind. So that could mean just switching our reddish tide, the Taurus decima, because they're molecularly shaped differently. So they'll dock it and bind the receptor differently, or you could fix it off with going the callocurb route or the HAOZI or things like that, be more natural. Yeah. It's so easy to fix, but there are problems that most people aren't really looking at. Do you think, so it's almost like with the GLPs, it is making it too easy for people to not have the addictive, binge, overeating behavior.

37:29 but it would be like if I guess you were taking a pill or a shot that made your body look like it was exercising, but you weren't exercising. And then you're no longer exercise. You're like, I don't really need to do that anymore.

38:00 Will we hit a GLP apocalypse in 10 or 15 years to where all these people are going to have anhedonia or lack of drive or willpower because they've been on GLPs for so long? Yeah. That's why I'm trying to start talking about it now, because I could see that happening. And again, the problem with saying that is it's so easy to avoid. It's like you said with the exercise mimetics, you know, just because you have an exercise, a medic pill doesn't mean you stop training. So there's the mechanical nature, different things happen, pH, cellular, like all the mechanics, everything changes from weight training or cardiovascular

38:35 work compared to just taking a pill for it. So it's never either or for me. It's both. So I think with the GLPs, they're amazing drugs. Take them, but just know they are not forever. Or if they all are going to be a forever for you, then understand that the dose will have to come down eventually, or you'll have rotator or something in that whole line. Because you can take these things long-term. A lot of people now, for like right out, will do like 200 micrograms every other week. One shot, just two times a month. That's just to pull down back inflammation, to put down LDL oxidation, and just basic health levels. That's an easy way to implement it, because we don't care about half-lives here.

39:07 We're looking at non-genomic and genomic actions. So we're look at the long-term genetic changes they make. And to me, that makes sense. Now, if you're dieting trying to lose active fat, not really gonna work. You gotta work it up. But to me, it should be cyclical in nature in some way. I think that brings up the question of what is a microdose? So micro dose is like, I thinks it's gonna be different for everyone, but for me I kind of think of blast and cruise. If you need to go through a fat loss phase, you can take up a dose to whatever that is to achieve your goal weight and then cruise back down to that super

39:40 low dose. Like you said, maybe even just once or twice a month But with a microdose, people say, well, what is a microtose? Is it 100 micrograms or is it 2 milligrams? To me, I think it's a dose that someone doesn't have those effects of the appetite suppression and those things. How much can I take basically to get the health benefits, but also that I don't feel per se? Gotcha. Yeah. So completely agreed. Um, going back, like we talked before him for recorded, how I always have at least a hundred people.

40:11 Cause you could say atleast a 100 people responded this way or nine, nine whatever. At this point with Reddit and GOP it's way past that. Like everyone's worked with so many people on GOPs. Whatever that number is in the thousands, whatever, right? If we look at those generally, if we're looking at like a Reddit type, Um, if we're trying to use that more for like longevity, just anti-inflammation and pulling down the oxidation of LDL particles, you could get away with probably about a hundred micrograms total for the week. Like it could be as low as 10 micro grams a couple of times a week, but you get as slow as a weight with about 100 micro-gram total.

40:42 So to me, it's a micro dose for that goal that you sidestep to the right. You go, okay, if that's for inflammation, LDL benefits, what about using semglutide as a low dose to be like a long-term modulator on the cocaine and famine receptor to make sure you don't keep binge drinking? You don' keep your cocaine addiction or whatever. That microdose would probably be, like, 500 micrograms per week. It would have to some from semglycide because terzepatide and retichide do not cause that same effect from like an abuse withdrawal standpoint. Yeah. So then you go to the fat loss effects, a micro dose of that, that can be super variable.

41:15 That could be like 500 micrograms to a milligram. Yeah, because now like the common doses in the studies, like what, five grams, 10 grams are super high. But to me, it's like micro doses within each category. And then also obviously the personal response. Talking about like higher doses, I read a paper a while back there was actually more fat loss at eight milligrams weekly of Reddit TrueTide than 12 milligrams, weekly, I've read a TrueTime, which begs the question. We were actually kind of talking about this a little bit earlier. I think sometimes with these, so like everyone that's watching this has probably done something like this.

41:48 They do Reddit Masi SLU, AOD, like they do the things, right? They get on all the stuff and it works. It's hard to deny that it works, especially if you put in the effort, exercise, and try to eat right with it. However, I almost wonder, if we take that data point that eight milligrams and 12 milligrams a week were basically identical for fat loss, that's 50% higher dose. Percentage-wise, it's pretty big. Do you think there is something that's like overturning the nervous system or creating cortisol, like stressing people out that is actually inhibiting

42:24 fat loss beyond a certain point? And then we could take that to like our world where people are doing all these things like mitochondria and everything else, that there's a threshold point to which you're going to push yourself to have negative effects after that point. Yes. So I call it the cortisol, Hepsodin, biome, triangle. Another thing I made up. Yeah. Right. I mean, so you have the initial stressor to the cells, which will then trigger that Hepstein release, what will cause you to start liberating. Generally a lot of intramuscular nitrogen and things we don't want to liberate.

42:56 That's like the sympathetic stressed out state. that's why the GLPs or whatever will slowly jack up the heart rate on top of the mitochondrial overspending and everything like that. As that's all happening, what are these GLPs doing? They're slowing down gut motility in some way. Now, just the slowing of gut mobility isn't going to be inherently bad, but for a lot of people, the fermentation picks up and then I start, I've been seeing on a lots of like vitatracks and gut zoomers and things like that, or like long-gum populations and populations more ancestralized that we want are slowly getting killed off.

43:26 And so again, that's what I see from like GLP abuse, right? Whereas if it's more at a moderate range for you, whether that is 1, 3, 5, 8, whatever milligrams, we don't see that same change. So to me there almost has to be that more, you know, incoherent effect at the bacterial level. So these healthy beneficial bacteria are actually killing themselves off or being attacked by the forward invader of like a SIBO or like whatever your own body is proliferating internally. So it is, it's that stress response, the Hebsen response and usually that biome response too.

43:56 I've been trying to get more people on GOPs like, you know, get Phytrex done, and get a gut zoomer done like any gut biomes test just to see what's going on in turn. Yeah. I think that's one thing people leave out is if you slow gastric emptying with a glp and you have SIBO or you Have candida or something that is probably not going to go well at some level in one way I'm like it probably helps because it's like modulating inflammation, but then another level you do that I got any inflammation. Yeah, because you get this like Like right at your sternum esophagus of just this burning feeling, probably from like SIBO or Candida or something that

44:33 is being exacerbated by the GLP. And it's like, well, upping the dose is only going to make that worse, not better, you know? So everyone understands too. We all love GLPs. Just guidelines. Yes, exactly. Like guide rails, like in a bowling alley when you have the rails. Let's keep it in the lane. So we've been bowling as a family and in 33 years I've never used bumpers. Yeah. Until recently, Lindsay's like, you have to learn this skill. You got to be able to pull. And I'm glad she did because now it's fun to.

45:03 Learn. But I was like at first I thought, Jesus, I got so many gutter balls every time because I didn't take the time to, learn. That's also this conversation. Yeah, take. The time. To learn how to use these things properly for you, what that matters for. Then you spend so much time just getting guter balls. than doing it early on in your career life, whatever, then you could figure out, okay, my, going back to the initial point I made where it's not about the dose, it taught the pattern, the frequency, what really is more coherent for you, right? Your best dose of red, could be five milligrams.

45:33 It could one milligram, but it could 100 micrograms. I think you need to look at your goal, listen to these guidelines, and then go with that and find that dose for So to me, that's where the whole mapping concept comes in. Whether it's with training or nutrition or peptides or supplements, you have to see what works for you. And that why I don't, although polarity exists, You can't exist in the black and the white. Like I'm very much gray. Cause I love everything we're talking about today. I can take GLPs anymore, but I loved them. But I wish I could, I've done a lot of work and I think GLP receptor sensitivity for me is so high that I just don' need them anymore.

46:06 But I still want to take them because I know the benefits and I'm helping everyone else with this, that, and the other, but I knew better. I've done that mapping work. And I just can't take that. Yeah. So yeah. I could achieve any fat loss goal that pretty much I would need. Anybody would lead with her's appetite alone. If you have someone doing the right things otherwise. Yeah.

46:36 Obviously bread, I was probably going to get you there faster and maybe more efficiently, but I still think there's, yeah, still. I think. There's yeah. More comfortably too. And I. Still think, there is a case though, that like a lot of people do much better on trans appetite than they would read at true time. I think red has the most amount of negative side effects for most people. Yeah. But it also usually has to most positive as well. So I, I of all of them, yeah, think the one to be the more careful with is probably the red and then we have the new UBT compound coming out where that's supposed to either stimulate all GIP, GLP and glucagon components equally 33, 33 or it's gonna be more glucagon heavy.

47:10 Again, we don't know for sure. The kinetic research is not out. I know someone over there and can't say specifics, obviously, but it's like, it could be one of these two things. And so I think that's going to be exciting because if Reta is barely touching on glucagon and that like really like the metabolic beta oxidative player, what if it is like an 80% glucon player? And what if we only need like a little bit of GLP and GIP? Does that change like the receptor conversation of like some of those negative things we talk about of, like, overloading GLPs receptors and like sensitivity

47:42 issues and everything? What if just get, you know, a like little of that and then we have more glucagon that's creating fat losses, raising metabolism? Right. That's probably cool to see. Yeah. I do think the whole GLB conversation, um, I don't want to say it's tapped out, but it seems like it always like the most important thing everyone cares about. And although it is one of the best players out there, I do think people need to start looking more at some other things that are coming out. I guess that goes into the next part if you don. Yeah, yeah, let's do it. No, that's what everyone's here for.

48:15 So all the new molecules, like there's so many new ones coming out. What's your first favorite right now that like at home, at night, when you go to bed, you can't go sleep because you're so excited about it. KLP-1. So Clothoprotein Peptide-I. Not GLP1, KL. Yes, not GLp1 also not recombinant Clotho. So this is the peptide version. This has honestly, I don't think it's ever been really utilized to the masses publicly before this. I've had a couple chemists over there who would make it, but then it would only last like that relationship only lasts so long when someone gets shut down

48:48 or something would happen. Recently was able to have a chemist that could do this for us in my group. And we have lot of data on KLP-1 now from previously and as of recent. And it's cool because again, not recombinant Clotho, love recombinant clotha, this is just a different conversation. KLP-1 is the peptide version. So it is getting more of that endogenous release of clotoprotein peptides, or rather of endogeneous clothe. so KLp- 1 is essentially causing the release. Now, if you look at clother, it was a hard conversation, Because if you track it, right? So conformational, so alpha beta gamma subunits, conformation binded with FGF23, spin-off shoot off effects with actually F21 protein kinase B,

49:22 protein kind AC, a couple of different of like the neuroplastic based components or like to gammas. You go down the list and there's not a negative or there is not positive biological cascade. It does not drive or touch in some way. So if you look at the positive effects of autophagy, there is Clotho. If you're looking at tissue regeneration at your articular cartilage level, that is clothal. Look at myofibular regeneration, so muscular tissue, Clotho.

49:53 Neurological tissue, clothe, everything's there. So that's why Clotho got such a big name and that sort of doing all the genetic research and to see if that works. I personally don't have enough experience with that yet. Don't I have a hundred people to say, hey, it's worked 99 times out of a 100. If I don' like to comment on things, I dont know. But with KLP1, we have multiple hundreds of people that have used it to this point. And to me, its lived up to the hype. Cause it is the only thing I've seen out there to basically do everything. the Wolverine stack got so big because it heals everything.

50:24 KLP-1 does that probably to the 10th degree. So what people normally see is that HRV goes up, heart rate tends to go down. Indirectly, because of that, if you're more parasympathetic and less stressed, libido tends go up. That generally causes more orgasmic potential. Everything about biology being healthier and cells being more coherent improves. The byproduct of is more anabolism, more fat loss, pretty much anything positive. You think better VO2 max better skin quality, better hair quality.

50:54 Like I hate to say it's the one thing that does it all, but like it kind of really does. And it honestly has been a really big player with like the professional leagues I work with because it is not banned. It's not tested for it. it completely legal. So we're not breaking any rules and yet it getting athletes the recovery they need. That's in a legal fashion. that still allows them to not be destroyed and crippled by the time they're 40 and 50. There's a broad base of people. Can you explain to the simple person, what would be the difference between recombinant Clotho and then Clotho, is it Cloto protein one or Cloptho peptide?

51:31 Clophoproteinpeptide. There are so many, there's so much different types of Clothe now on the market. Like how do we know which is the better? option to choose. I don't think it's a matter of better. Yeah. It's matter different. So like why I liked KLP one, we'll keep it that cause it shorter, right? Um, I like KL P one because you almost can't get a negative side effect. Cause it can only drive that endogenous production. This would be like a peptide version of Clotho. Hence the name.

52:01 Okay. Gotcha. Exactly. So you have that where it almost puts the safety brakes on for you. Now, granted, I'm sure you could take enough of anything and have problems. Like we know that with everything, but it's so hard to find a problem there. With recombinant Clotho, you can easily take too much or take it too frequently. And then that will cause like vascular calcification and things like that. Again, love recumbent Clotho. I love the peptide version. I think they both have their place in purpose. I thing for the masses, it seems like the peptide version is just easier to work with because you can't really run into negative side effects.

52:32 And it's still a pretty low-dose molecule. Am I started off trying? Because with all this stuff, as I'm figuring it out, I got to figure out the doses for that one. Yeah. So it was like, where do you start? So for me, its always low and so try and guess where you think the chemical suddenly potential is going to be and then what the consequences could be if you overshoot that. OK, we're starting this off at one microgram per kilogram of body weight. And we work up. And over the years, we would work to anywhere between 1 to 10 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. That tended to be a pretty good range. Then had this new chemist come along, and the product was definitely either more pure or it was, when you make these, there's a recipe,

53:10 a synthetic process. There's an art that goes into making these things that people don't understand when there are new molecules that no one really knows about. And so this new provider did it better. And, so we were seeing more like a hundred micrograms being a pretty good range. Now you could dose it higher, but it's pretty expensive. So because of that, to me, like the minimum effective dose, which is about a 100 micro grams, you get away with less. That's a sweet spot for most people. Then it makes a vial, 10 milligram vials last about 100 days. It works out good. You could work it up in boluses. I'm slowly figuring that out with this variety.

53:41 But that's the rough range with closer protein peptide one. What about, what about topical clothe though? Cause I'm noticing that popping up a lot more now is sounds like a skincare scam. Yeah. It's a lotta skin. I've seen a of skincare lines with clotho. So I have yet to find a good one, but I would like to believe that soon there will be one. Cause the chemistry on it's not that crazy. If we have these topical exomes and stem cells that work pretty well, then Clotho shouldn't be too far behind.

54:11 So I don't personally know of a good brand yet, but now I'm gonna have to find a Good one. Cause that is like, you look at again, what it heals, it does a little bit of everything. so it seems like that would be the next iteration. Do you think, have you seen the potential for let's say KLP-1 to potentially, let say you have a 26 year old guy, low testosterone, because what 26-year-old guy has high testosterone? No, not a lot. Would that, because you were mentioning the athlete conversation, would that be the best?

54:42 Do you think thus far that would be closest thing to starting hormone replacement therapy for someone like that that's like, hey, maybe I don't want to go on hormones, but because Clotho touches everything, do you that could be like the next best thing that maybe get them closer to anything else that will be HRT? So we're seeing so far it being a real, a reallocator, trying to pick the terminology properly. Um, literally at the airport, I was waiting for you guys to picked me up. I texted my girl in Australia, who's big on cholesterol, protein, peptide, one big member of my group.

55:13 And she got her blood work back. Is that Fiona? Yeah. Shout out Fiona. Everyone go follow Fiona Chen. She's really smart. Awesome. Such a cool girl. Yeah, she's got a bloodwork back and testosterone was sky high. And we've done all the comparisons and everything and I know she keeps her due diligence notes and it was mainly the cloth that did that. And I look back at the notes from myself, clients, and again, I say it's a reallocator because I've seen it pull SHBGs like the 150s down to the 40 to 60 range. I see extra dials and progesterones in females, crazy high levels back down into range, or if they have no extra progeterone,

55:44 push it up. Maybe not all of the way, but enough. So it seems to be reallocating fuel sources to fuel what is out of range and to fix it. I have no idea exactly how it is that intelligent to do that, because it's kind of interesting, right? And it makes sense if it a more resonant and coherent molecule. But how can it be that intelligent to go ahead and know what to do where? And again, it sounds kind of common sense whenever you say it out loud.

56:14 It's like, oh, all these supplements know how to to. They only do X, Y, and Z. But to me, kind it goes that next step further. I'm starting to think more about, OK, what if this is actually modulating things at a magnetic level? What if it's causing the more receptivity of the changing of electrodynamic equations to improve the field that our cells are creating? That's what can heal all the cells. No idea, but that's kind of where my mind goes. How can it, it can't just do this. So how's it healing everything when no one else has yet? Well, if you think about this, think of, bioregulators, or thymus and alpha 1. What does thymosin alpha one do?

56:47 If your immune system is suppressed, it's going to help boost it up. If it like you're autoimmune, you are way over, in a lot of cases thimus alpha will help you bring it down. I think if you look at some of these, like we have some peptides that are signaling molecules, It's like a jackhammer, a sledgehammer. You know, bam, its going hit you. Like a GLP, is like sludgehammer you can boom, boom boom take up the dose and it is going have these increasing effects. But maybe it more on the side of a modulator. That it was like what you were saying, SHBG too high? Bring it down. Or like estradiol too low?

57:17 bring it up. Too high, bring down? Maybe it's touching the body in a way that it is so intelligent that if you look at a system of like this is too this too, this to this, too as going in and like smoothing that curve across all the organ systems in the a body, maybe it like is that the next thing that can actually do that in way next to being the holy grail. Okay, so perfect transition after you say that is the next molecule, VD11, which had some negatives.

57:51 And that's kind of why I want to bring it up now. It plays off what you were saying. Because with all these, these are new molecules that really no one has tried. So we're trying to figure these things out for ourselves. Um, So backstart this and then it'll kind to connect to your story, how you're saying, um doing some work with some zoo vets and some worked with like gorillas lions and bears and things like that um started helping out one guy with his like reptilian exhibit and um amphibians things, like, that yeah and i was just trying to learn more because i knew nothing about amphibiens so i started learning more about frogs and I really stumbled upon some stuff with uh salamanders and you know smack rate frogs and started looking at the regeneration of salamander spinal cords,

58:26 maybe coming from VD11. And you started to look at how these different amphibians can mainly regenerate things. Because can't they like regrow a limb, right? Yeah. Like if the salamanter gets his arm cut off or whatever. Exactly. There's a cluster of a couple things, but I don't know why, but my gut, I kept being drawn back to PD-11. I'm like, why is this standing out to me? It was like as I was reading this, in my mind it wasn't actually, it was bold, It's like this is the one, Alex, look into me. So looked into it, looked at the amino acid sequence, pretty simple to actually do, reached out that same chemist.

58:59 He was able to do that, put everything together. Pretty simple molecules, nothing crazy. They did the LD50 studies to make sure obviously there's no lethal dose for humans because safety is number one. And we started implementing it. I don't know if he took it before me or if I was the first person to take it, but I'm just very proud to say that because I think it has the potential not to be a close to protein peptide one, But to Be Close. So with VD11, I kind of talk about it as being like the cerebral lysine BPC TB combination.

59:29 It's not quite like the clotho, but still pretty cool. So if you look at VD11, through this TRK-based receptors, you're going to see different kinds of interactions with microglia and with astrocytes. What this means is usually like your brain's immune system, your brains communication systems, all the neuroplastic events will go up. You start looking like, what is it, NL gamma with neuro plasticity. If you at everything in the brain with BDNF, GDF even NGF it's going be upregulated. So it's kind of like a faux cerebral lysine, side step to the right, and you start seeing the fibroblast accumulation, you started seeing all the changes

1:00:05 to immune system. You see the change to keratinocytes. So you see if that another triangle like to create. If you have three points, by the way, You can connect the dots. And if there's three, it makes sense, right? If there is just two, It's not connecting the dot. No, triangle, 360-degree angles. Seriously, we'll get into geometry later on with everything up there. But seriously, so if you cross-stimulate keratinocytes and fibroblasts, you indirectly have to stimulate the immune system in a positive way. So if anyone knows what those words mean, your stimulating collagen, muscular repair in your growth, theimmune system repair and regrowth,

1:00:38 it's almost stimulating everything similar but different to how BPC, TB, and how cerebral lysine would work. That's what I thought. On paper, cool. LD50 studies, Cool. Let's go ahead and try it out. So started off super low, slowly worked up. And initially I started seeing some heightened senses. I got the higher doses. Where initially just saw healing. Like just all pretty good recovery. Not as good as KLP one, but like noticeable changes. Less of a need for like, didn't need as much alpha GPC or ketone bodies or oxygenation or things like that to get more chemical action.

1:01:10 Cool, things are standing out, But then the census thing was weird. So I was in my kitchen and my family was the other room in the family room and I smell pee. And I'm like, I thought like I stepped in like dog pee and look over and ate in. My middle son, he's like making his face. He's peeing in his diaper. Yep. And I thought, at the time, I didn't think anything. I was like, that's strange, you know? But then I went to go on my morning walk in Living, Pennsylvania, freezing cold. You know, like I couldn't leave the house. It was bundled up, but I'd go outside, and I would be like pulled back in.

1:01:41 Like, it was so cold, how I like couldn' stand it, couldn''t tolerate it. So I though, okay, maybe it's just a cold day. Then my sauna, which I honestly love my son at 1.30, Like I liked it right there. At 1 30, i'm good there, Is it infrared or dry heat? Infrared. Okay. Yeah. Which is like higher end for an infrared. That's like on the higher. But I couldn't tolerate 130 and I do that, I've done that every single day for months now. And I thought, okay, this has to be something with that. Oh, what was the only change I made? The VD-11. This happened with a couple of people where not like those specific things, but senses were heightened.

1:02:15 but sometimes for the worse, because it'd be cool to have super smelling, right? Yeah. Right, that'd cool ish. Well, I'll tell you that's not for Taylor though, cause she smells me enough and that would be like a death sentence bite. But right, so it's like you're trying to see like, okay, a little bit's cool, but as you work up, it starting to get creepy. And that where I started, and I was hoping, And I don't think this is going to be the case, But I'm trying find that one molecule to modulate cryptochrome in the eye, So we could see magnetic fields of people around us, of television screens and things like that. I thought like oh, this you know, heightening senses, maybe it'll modulate Cryptochrome.

1:02:48 Again, probably not. But with the VD-11, to me, that was where we trialed something new. It works for sure. Actually, it's a good play on gut repair. That is one of the players, the single cell lining in the gut. A lot of people that have perforations, ulcerative colitis, things like that, they're seeing mass repair, and there's people in groups that are utilizing it, mainly in their gut dysfunctional populations, but they are seeing some crazy cool things. Well, I have a couple of questions with that. One, we were actually talking earlier, so people would think it would be insane for someone to be able to see magnetic fields with their eyes,

1:03:22 right? The way I think of that is the five senses are like the human interpretation of what reality is known to You can heighten those. Could you heightens eyesight to the point that it actually is picking up that data? Because there is a magnetic field around all of us right now. I just can't see it because my ocular capacity is not of that such. Is that something that you could actually, like if you were to turn up the vision enough that would actually see that is like improving eyesight that much

1:03:56 or is it actually like interacting with the field around us in a way that it would like be able to like help us because think of for everyone listening, I want you to think The 130 was the 130, but you changed the physical vessel that was picking up the information. Yeah. So is it enhancing eyesight that much, or is actually like in switching your interpretation of what reality that's already there to begin with, just like the sauna was a 130 to beginning with.

1:04:27 Is it doing that in a way that it's like heightening your physical senses? So did you actually pick up more of, what's in the field already? So because VD-11 is like partly neurochemical, I don't see that as being more eyesight. I see it as more like right hemisphere magnetic in nature. So if you look at our perception of reality, everyone has the same innate capacity to, essentially, be limitless, do anything. We have a lot of potential.

1:04:57 You look again at what was crazy 500 years ago. people looking at birds in the sky. And it's like, guess what we're flying now? We're like all these crazy things that you would have said we were crazy beforehand. So to me, this kind of goes back to person years work, all the work he did with the God Helm and everything where you're modulating that right hemisphere, where we can modulate the magnetism. That was more like seven Hertz frequency, same as the earth, the hippocampus, and all of these things, using it for other purposes. But I think, once we can modulate that maybe with a peptide, like something like a VD-11, where maybe it's modulating the magnetic field because the hypertropic

1:05:31 effects it is causing. It's like I've done the whole octopus God Helmet type stuff with cerebral lysine, trying to specific that hypertrophy, that right portion of my brain, and it works pretty dang well. saying that not everyone's ready for that so don't go out there and you know best thing to know what you're doing but as you can change the magnetism around that right hemisphere as You can hypertrophy the pineal gland then as can connect mainly through the feet to the earth to me that's where you Can reach these next levels of senses, if you want to call them that, because there's people out there that can do this.

1:06:03 It's very few and far between certain people, especially I always see people and I use the example of the autistic community. A lot of them see things differently and they'll like give that sad person a hug, but they never knew they were sad. Have you heard of telepathy tapes? Have That podcast, I listened to a few episodes of that and it's crazy. Well, this crazy because they're literally non-locally communicating. And then also they are telling other people's thoughts. Like they will have them in a different room with their house. For anyone that hasn't heard of this, basically you have an autistic child.

1:06:34 There are documented cases of one can be in the basement and their mom would be on the third floor in house, they can tell you what their Mom is thinking on third of the house like that. So that's obviously real. We can document that now. Maybe it is something to do with the magnetism in the brain that is creating that and with a peptide that we could actually modulate that, that that pretty cool. That's pretty dang cool, you know? And that to me, so far, at least what I've seen historically, is you'll have camps of the electromagnetic world or the peptid world,

1:07:08 or you have all these different camps. And so it's always made sense to Let's just do it all together. Be smart about it, but we can't combine these things. And that's where I see a lot of these really going. I know a lots of stuff that you guys do, a stuff I do with my clients and everything I'll do for myself. But I don't think I was born with any special gifts. It's what I've done to access those more than other people haven't. All this stuff to me is very accessible for a lotta people, it's a slow process. As everyone's listening to this, don' automatically go out there and buy a God helmet, I told you this, I cinched a lot of my hair off two weeks ago.

1:07:46 Like you could do things wrong and you know. Well, that's the beauty. You don't have to do that. Just listen to people that do and actually like responsible in a way that they like understand. how to push thresholds and then like go back to the public. And like Alex and I were talking about this earlier, like that's what we feel like our purpose is to be able to do and like bring back some of this information that, you know, we were talked about earlier like building the churches thousands of years ago. Maybe that was something this like ability to see like magnetic fields Maybe that was something that's a lot more common 1,000 years ago than it is today,

1:08:17 because a baby comes out into the world with fluoride being dumped into its water and 5G towers around it. You're probably not going to be able to see magnetic fields with that much inflammation coming from things around you. But maybe 1 ,000 ago, Taylor and I were talking about going churches in Europe, how awestruck you are by the architecture and the geometry and everything. Maybe this is just getting back to what it really means to a human. And I agree. Yeah. That's the geometry, the architecture, six degree angles, nothing's that nine degree angle where energy just hits and dissipates.

1:08:49 It hits, and it folds over into itself. And you fuel that. Like I told you guys beforehand, like our house, Lindsay designed it. We didn't design it purposely that way. But now looking back, I'm like, wow, that just worked out magically, right? But like you can feel the energetic shift in those environments. And that goes back to you mentioned about the FLFE measuring your level of consciousness. Like part of that is cause of how the house is structured, the land it's built on, what kind of non-coherent EMF mitigation systems you have in place, all that stuff matters.

1:09:20 I think you've mentioned having the baby there too. So is it the transition to fertility? Babies, wanna go down that conversation? Let's do it. First thing though, before that, cause you brought up something, I just want to, it brought my attention to something. I have seen a resurgence massively, and this could be for a couple of things. Yes. Can you, and I want your opinion on this, that I'm biased towards a certain way. Yeah. I think people overdo it with cerebral isin, meaning that they reach for that before it's really necessary, but there's other molecules along the way to

1:09:55 help with brain fog or whatever. And again, if you differ from this completely fine, I just am curious, because I've seen a lot of people, like, think it is harder to get now too than it probably was at one point. So like fiending for cerebralisin. A lot people though are in their 40s, 50s or 60s. They are getting a little bit of brain Even younger, I see it even younger in the thirties. Thirtys too, yeah, for sure. They're getting a little bit of brain fog, probably because they're too much EMF, too many inflammation. But anyway, they getting some brainfog. Um, They see their parents. My grandmother a few years ago passed away.

1:10:25 One of my grandmothers passed from dementia. they are in that age group where they see a parent potentially having some cognitive decline. And they like, Oh man, i don't want to go. I've got 20 years and i dont want be that. Cause i see my parent going down that road. Maybe it's a lil too late for that? I See cerebral lysine as much more as like a that sledgehammer intervention that's like probably, it's not bad. I love cerebral hyacinth. But I think there's so many steps along the way before someone really needs to run that. And maybe that me saying like, maybe it just one cycle a year.

1:10:56 You run it, you're done with it. Whatever that is for someone. Um, but what are your thoughts around that? Because I people reach for that before they really need to. And I say that like, I love to realize. But I think it's one of those things I'm just seeing more and more people, they have brain fog and their immediate thing. It's kind of like if you need super, like a peptide version of Adderall, super worker and just like work even more in their brains. So what would be like the alternative to that? Or maybe it is for realizing. What are your thoughts?

1:11:26 So I disagree, but I also agree. I don't think that that's like, oh, I have a little bit of brain fog, cerebral lice, right? But I do think people can layer in early with benefits. Okay. And I think the dose is where most people get wrong. If you have Alzheimer's dementia, Parkinson's, TBI, like real severe problems, that's the drip usually of 30, 40, 50, 60 ml, it's a lot, right? If your using it as like a recovery tool from a hard work day, the day after the night, if you do or do not get stimulated,

1:11:56 one to five milliliters. it tends to work pretty good. You can also have like a big, a podcast day, or we could do a seminar or something like that in person, where you can take a bigger bowl, so like 10 milliliters that morning. But I think it's so versatile to me why I disagree personally, is cause like, I do it every way. Like I've microdosed like ten I used before, which no one really does. I'm more sensitive neurochemists, most people can't do that. Usually like the lowest is like 1 milliliter if we get a real response. Yeah. Um, but you could clear glutamate pretty cool with that, So to mean it more, another tool you can use, but I do agree with you in the sense of like,

1:12:28 it shouldn't be the first thing you reach for. To me, this is after the tiger's milk, the DHEA, that micronized, pregdenolone, 10 milligrams, like after those baselines are covered. That's, I, do like if you're going to put it in a lineup, level two, whereas level one is like the basic, actually, no, I should change that up. Level one should really be the neuroplastic work, playing the Elevate app, doing cursive writing, being bilingual, just reading a book once or twice.

1:12:58 Then it's the over-the-counter tropics and all the mushrooms. And then the next level is everything like this, but I do classify them basically in the same. I've actually, I wanted to try this because I have some. So you have the ampoules of cerebral lysine, which is like 10 mLs is 2,160 milligrams. Yeah, that's actually a great way, too. Then there's the lyophilized form, Which is 60 milligram bottles. I think people, before they need to go to the higher ones, probably could try the Lyopholized bottles and take 15 or 20 milligrams,

1:13:35 of the time I use, try that first. Would you recommend it taking at night for recovery? Like if you've had a cognitive demanding day, take it at nighttime, or take at it night before the cognitive-demanding day or the morning of cognitive. So always try it out first thing in the day and see if it gets stimulated from it. Certain people, they just get chilled out and vibed out. They get very parasympathetic. That's the first use at the night to recover. The other person who had a hard workday, they get stimulated from it, use it the next day for the recovery or the day off if you're trying to drive performance

1:14:06 for that day. It's very versatile in that. And even like the ampules too, if have the bigger ampule, you can only use one mil at a time, preload. So just pull out 10 pre-load, put it in a Ziploc bag, make sure it's away. You don't want to put cerebral lysine using the fridge. We'll cause some denaturing. Of all of them, because we talked about, we'll talk about more later on here, the fragility of some of these peptides, and a lot of really that fragile. They're pretty robust and strong, which makes sense. But cerebral lysine is one that can kind of, once it goes cloudy, you tend to get immune responses using the nature of the proteins.

1:14:36 And then that causes some kind a flare up immune wise. That's when you don't want to actually expose to extreme temperatures. Gotcha. Well, thanks for clearing that up. Cause I have a tendency to sometimes I like overreact cause like, I see. Well, to your point of like the neuroplastic work is like, I think people just, they always want to say like what's a peptide for that. And if there's anyone that's like agrees with that as me, like I'm like there was a pep-tide, you know, for everything. You too. I know you too, but it's also too like sometimes I am like guys, guys you don't need, 10 mLs of cerebrolysin every day for 30 days.

1:15:06 If there is a lot of other, there are like P21, dihex, I think to performance wise, you could probably get that as well. I'm also probably, it's like my own bias leaking through is like, I am someone that doesn't necessarily need to rely on nootropics as much, but that goes back to when I was a baby, my mom would give me a book and put a blanket out and I could sit and read a books by myself, like a two year old, for like an hour and I wouldn't move.

1:15:37 And so for me, I just, and my brothers probably has to do like I was the first born. So like, you know, just there with my mom, your younger brothers were not that way. No, not at all. They were the, crazy, like go break stuff and, have to go to the emergency room type activities. Like I'm very good at working and focusing. That's actually more of like a strength for me is like, I can work by myself and just like crank and I'm good at doing that.

1:16:09 And I don't get like brain fog or anything. I assume I have like my testosterone. Like when I was like severely hormonally deficient, when was I playing football and everything, my testosterone was 80 total. I definitely did have issues with brain bog, but like once I got that fixed, I'm not someone that has to like lean on a lot of new tropics. Yeah, of course. I'll take like P 21 or dihexa or like some of these things and they're cool to use. A lot even like something like tea or Korean tea, Korean like fires. Like I can like, bam, take some tea Korean. And I like can, like workhorse. But I think a lot of people are not, they don't, like Taylor is not like that.

1:16:43 Like that is her proclivity to do. So I'm probably just, my own bias comes through. Cause I've like, want to be like it's that bad to like sit down and do some work. All right. As many people know, Taylor and I are focusing on our fertility journey right now. Alex has been helping us out with that some, but I guess there's probably a of the people out there in this situation right Taylor and I are in our thirties. So some would say like our best child bearing years were in her twenties, but I think we're in a really good spot.

1:17:15 Um, especially for couples that may be on hormone optimization and having that as a component. You know, obviously we've talked to you about that, Advice would you have obviously having four kids you've done it successfully? So what advice would have for a couple like us that's just getting started lots, so We're talking about advice to actually get pregnant, right? Yeah Let's go on the journey. That's where we're at trying to get pregnancy Yeah.

1:17:49 I think number one, and we talked about this a little bit on that call, but we'll go in depth here. Yeah, I. Think the vaginal biome is never talked. No one talks about the actual pH of the natural environment, how important it is for sperm to actually get in and then actually be mobile enough and strong enough to go and fertilize egg. So normally if you would look at some of. The basic flux that happened throughout the month. So as you have the first rise in estrogen, rise and progesterone, things like that, the estrogen tends to produce that it's almost like, that gel, like whitey secretion. Normally it should be like a little bit viscous.

1:18:19 Then you the progeterones, which more comes with like the cream, is like thick white cream. That pattern should generally happen. It'll change from female to female, but you should have periods of more of the gel estrogen and more like creamy progestrone. So normally that looks like 14 days, 14 day, whatever your cycle is normalized. Once you can figure that out, once that's hammered down, that to me usually whenever you want to make sure that global senescent cells are basically cleared out to lawnmowers and tellers are accounted for, and then it's really looking at the vaginal biome as well. So this is where like seed makes a pretty good intravaginal probiotic.

1:18:51 You can actually potentiate those with like the Love Lux, they'll make an intrivagin red light as You basically put the bacteria into the vaginal biome, activate the mitochondria locally with the red light. It's a simple little protocol, literally, usually at night time depending on when you do estrogen wise for you actually. Is it oral or? So I don't do. Oh, that's right. I just do progesterone and testosterone. Perfect. OK, so nothing intravaginally. Nope. That's all right, we talked about that. Yeah. So instead, since there's no kind of timing problem, usually before you can use your C probiotic intrivaginally and then basically activate there locally

1:19:25 with about 10 minutes of that introvaginal red light. So that in and of itself, once you know the trends and patterns for the cycle, you confirm that the right substrate's being produced at the correct time, and you back up the biome aspect of it while cleaning senescent cells with like epitalin and FOX04DRI. That can then set you up for a vaginal aspect to communicate with the rest of the system. So normally, like even like Xenolutin comes in really as a pretty positive player, because normally like female infertility generally rises cause ovary-based mitochondria. So dense in there, there's a miscommunication there.

1:19:55 Then it kind of shuts down the whole factory. You want to kind think about from that approach. So that's for like a simple 10-day course, a middle-grammated of each epitalin and FOXO4 DRI. We'll go ahead and clear those out and then push up telomeres a little bit more. I'm more prone to going with the epitalin, obviously, for telomerase, only because if you look at that gestational period, females that have more traumatic gestation periods, their babies are born with shorter telomiers. The telomares activity is less. So I feel like I'd rather get ahead of that by making sure that your telomeres are in a better position.

1:20:26 So that pass along epigenetic process happens to the baby to where their telomer is in better positions too. Yeah. Normally that's like, that step one. Um, before we get to male fertility, actually let's do male first. Cause it's kind of simple. First of all, independent of HRT. So you can think about them like different cascades, meaning although if you take exogenous testosterone, it tends to shut down natural production, even like a Chi, what kinds of tracks and things like that. They'll blunt it, they won't necessarily suppress it completely, but there's still going to be some suppression.

1:20:58 We're trying to push up on spermatogenesis, we're trynna push-up on sperm motility morphology and try to stop DNA fragmentation. Sounds like a lot. In reality, don't touch your HRT or TRT. You can go ahead and layer in the HEG, HMG quarantine, maybe, or come to FSH. And then normally you fix the DNA fragmentation with either BPC or TB. The research on that's kind of skewed. I've seen them both work. So I'm kind like, let's just take both. It's not really going to hurt. And from a DNA fragmentation standpoint, the sperm are fixed.

1:21:28 So normally, that's female and male fertility, kind of as simple as it can be. It never happens that way, because once you try to have a kid, it's like 60 days later, 90 days, usually like a 30 to 90 day window. But there's always variability. For Lila, my firstborn, I'm gonna screw up the dates now. She was, I think six months, Aiden was eight months. Apollo was one try. And then Gwen was about a year. It was like pretty even spread. So there's almost no rhyme or reason because there are so many factors to consider.

1:21:59 After you have those basics kind of taken care of, then I think something small that like pre-seed, it's that lube you can buy off of like CVS or anything like that or like Amazon, all that is doing is driving more sperm motility. So female just applies intravagin before intercourse and all it does is give your sperm an extra like just a gliding pathway to get into ovum, into egg and that vaginal easier. We need to have some of that. It helps a lot because one of the things too that's one the bigger misconceptions is you can only get pregnant when you're ovulating.

1:22:31 And in reality, sperm can live in that vaginal canal for three, four, five, six, seven days. Remember, that is normal physiological sperm, not souped up sperm on HMG, HG-carotene. So they're more resilient with these chemicals. And so the cool thing about that is now you look at that one week window to ovulate, right? Now you have a week beforehand and a weak afterwards. So in reality, you can basically get pregnant three out of the four weeks of a month. That's assuming your cycle stays the same every single time. It doesn't change by a day.

1:23:01 Change it by another day, there's another, day on each end. So now that's three weeks, two days. And so to me, I think the whole trying process, cause it is, it's just like asking someone out in high school, It's a numbers game. Eventually someone has to say yes. Same thing with fertility. The more chances you try, the more chance you actually have. Yeah. so it tough though, because as everyone out there has, if they've done that process or you guys are going through that, process it' tough because it starts off being fun. And once you print it, it's awesome. Best feeling you ever have. But if it goes too long, you're kind of like it turns into a chore.

1:23:33 And you kind like, not this month, and you go, OK, I'm going to start doing it twice a day. Because remember, spurn turnover rates, they have whatever arbitrary numbers out there in the research, which doesn't account for super physiological sperm. Whereas the turnover rate will go up where it is like every 12. hours, 24 hours like it's very fast. So you guys could technically try every like morning and night or just every night, or every morning, whatever works out schedule wise. But you'll start, if it doesn't happen automatically, try and do more is better and more's never better, it just depends.

1:24:04 Usually the frequency should be fairly high. For most people more schedule-wise, you could do four to seven times freak or more. I think that's a good range. There's also myths like, and I had a girlfriend tell me this, that basically like She could not get pregnant until she basically sat in like a handstand kind of position after her and her husband had intercourse. So more like hold sperm. Yeah. Handstand position? No, not hand stand, but like she was doing a handsand? Like she probably like propped herself up against the wall for like four hours.

1:24:37 That's probably easy. Four hours? She said four. Hours. Four hours is excessive. It's hard for me to sit still for like 10 minutes, four hours. Is that a myth that like doing that will help or is it just like? Pretty much. Yeah. If you look at what's all in sperm, I've got a jacket toy volume of being like, it's like three to five milliliters, something like that. Of that, you're getting like what, a bill gram of sperminine in that? Just rough numbers or whatever.

1:25:09 but in that whole volume, a very small amount is actual fertile sperm. A lot of it is amino acids and different proteins and just fluids and like you could take like for males, you can take pigium, sunflower, lactate and things like that to just increase ejectory volume. That doesn't increase fertility. It's just more volume around the actual sperm cells. So, I mean, she could do that if she wants to. She's not gonna do anything, but. Yeah, if it's fun to do. Yeah. With Taylor, so Taylor's on around like 10 milligrams a week of injected testosterone.

1:25:41 That has seemed to help with her ovulation since we've been doing that for the last couple of years. Do you think it is okay? So Taylor is not on any estradiol supplementation because she tends to aromatize her testosterone pretty well to where her levels I would say it's dependent upon the time, but usually sits somewhere like 100 to 150 ish, like depending on obviously like menstruation and everything. Um, so she does well. I will say though, with the Xenolutin that tends to aromatize, I guess, if that's the way that it is doing it.

1:26:15 So like her breasts are definitely bigger, more tender, which is probably. Yeah, it felt like I didn't, didn' love the I felt. She does not like this in a little bit because it almost is like, do you feel like it's like too much estrogen? I feel I have too estrogen. It makes me feel more breast or nipple architecture changes like sensitivity. I would say it's more breast sensitivity. So yeah, more estrogen swing. In that case, you're a hyper responder. Cool. Don't touch estrogen. You got it covered. What you are doing is right with testosterone, progesterone only. Yeah. To me, there's no problem with that.

1:26:46 I know everyone wonders about, okay, how do I get pregnant on HRT? When do i come off? Yes. Once you have that little baby, that cluster of 60 degree angle cells growing in your system, right? We'll start with 90 degree. Once it starts to actually grow, your placenta and everything starts, already, as soon as you have that little cluster begin, you're body starts release its own forms of testosterone, estrogens, progesterones, different kinds of growth hormones. It's like men can't produce, females can only produce it whenever they actually have a baby, which is really cool. So you keep your HRT in, because it keeps you in normal physiological range.

1:27:18 As soon you pee on that stick and it gives you the two lines or the smiley face or whatever when you are pregnant, You stop taking your hrt that day. What about progesterone? Because some women do take pro gesterones while they're pregnant to help. They've had previous miscarriages to carry the baby full term. What It's also, I get a lot of opinions on the internet with this because I talk about that I do take progesterone every day. And I've played with it recently, stopped and taken it back down to day 14 through 28. Personally, like we all know mentally,

1:27:51 don't feel as good that way. But what about a woman who's on pro gesterones like me, and then I got pregnant and what do you say to stop the pro-gesteron too? Or would you stay on it? So most females can get away with dropping everything and your body will regulate its own production and it should balance out. The caveat though is you're in that 10% outlier. Like that's not everyone's response. Most females, can't take pedestrian every day. Good amount can, but like that not the majority. So in your scenario, I pulled out first and see what happens.

1:28:24 If you automatically regress right back to where you were after two weeks, then you bring it back in. because clearly your biologist just needs that higher amount of progesterone. For whatever specific reason, who really knows who cares? If you pulled out and you're feeling worse, and not pregnancy worse but the same symptoms as you are experiencing now, you go back and bring that in. Because there's no inherent negative effect on progeterones on the fetus. or technically even estradiol in physiological doses. Testosterone, even in physical doses, you could make the argument it won't harm the fetus. I personally don't think it's a good idea, because that hyperantigenic environment can just increase your chances of actually having a miscarriage.

1:29:00 So you can have a lot of fetal development problems, spinal cord problems. Then also just the sack production around it, right? So the fluid around, it will basically penetrate the egg, penetrate a little bit faster and then feed this. It'll break open. And then fetus basically can't feed and dies off, miscarriage happens. So technically I think testosterone, probably not. But if there's estrogen projection you need them in, they are not going to hurt the fetuses. I think from a symptom standpoint, you're probably producing so much more testosterone anyway during the pregnancy.

1:29:31 It's not like you were going to probably, not that it would matter, but if you felt a drop off, just like, oh, I need my testosterone. I don't think that would happen. You'll notice because you'll have the libido curves and swings, hair growth, skin. There's a lot of cool things there. One of the things actually that the glowing It's actually because fetus, the whole environment around, right, produces and releases, it creates a ton of clotho. So that clothe, though, is actually going back to the skincare. That's how they got the idea, why it started, because you produce that, that's why your skin glows.

1:30:04 Yeah. Which then kind of brings me to the question, like, what are your thoughts on capsulizing the placenta or using the umbilical cord for exosomes? Like using anything like stem cells, exomes. Like, yeah, anything I personally think it's a massive upcharge for something that doesn't make that big of a difference, given today's society, with how easily accessible stem cells, small mobile stem cell, exosomes, closed zones, like all these things are so easily accessable now.

1:30:36 If this was 10 years ago, I'd say, yeah, go ahead. But I think the up charge on them banking them, haven't seen it make a big difference in all honesty. People that have banked them done traditional therapies. I would think though, because it's coming from you, from your child, better resident, more coherent for your biology. I haven't seen it produced that much. If you're spending that money every year to just bank it, not that big a fan.

1:31:07 another influencer and she was pregnant and towards the end of her pregnancy, she already started lactating. And she also started having the clostrum start coming in. Then she's actually starting to pump, even though she still hadn't delivered the baby. It was at the point like they told her she could go ahead and start pumping. What could a woman do to, like, is there, have we discovered a hack yet to help with breast milk coming? Because there's some women, they say that their breastmilk doesn't come in and then it's like absolutely heartbreaking for them.

1:31:37 Um, so yeah, what a lot. So first of all, the timeline, very few people have that happen to them. Normally you need to have an oxytocin dump. You need that golden hour connection. Need to leave vaginal count or leave body in some way to trigger that paraventricular nucleus cause the whole cascade down the causes that hyperplastic anemia cause best breast milk production and cause lactation as a whole. Yeah, normally you need that. That's not what's happened like that, but probably 80 90% of the time only happens postpartum.

1:32:08 So if it comes in early, cool. You're ahead of the ballgame, you're only producing, I mean, just basically dumping prolactin at that point. You are not producing any meaningful milk production. So usually that's the milk, most women I'd say just pump and dump type thing, because that is not really the high quality milk you want. Baby actually has to leave either vaginal canal or C-section, whatever you actually need. Once baby leaves, then milk products actually starts to improve. And so the whole time though, You can do things to put your breast in a better position to produce more high-quality breast milk. So this is where like some of my favorite ones, I think if I can only pick three things, it would be fatty 15, plasmolygens,

1:32:44 and then probably, again, go with a couple of different things here, but maybe depending on the day, would probably say like the algae. So the chlorella and spirulina. If you look at a lot of those and what happens with breast and nipple architecture, we're trying to improve every process of the milk production aspect. We're tryna put things in there that are already there, like fatty-15, which is high, the plasmologist, Then you have to donate more soup box ideas. We take some mitochondria to keep up the breasts because your breasts become powerhouses. You are producing. It costs so much energy to not just have that baby and even build it, then to produce milk to feed it.

1:33:18 So you are now postpartum, right? You're not to take care of yourself. So normally, once baby comes out, also the screaming, the crying, that'll trigger the PVN, peripheral ventricular nucleus, and that will cause lactation to occur. You'll also have more mechanical stimulation. So some women like, say this happens, like you're fine with pregnancy one, let's say baby two comes along and like maybe baby one like he didn't have enough breast milk production, you wanna come in early, You could do like the nipple stimulation during the final trimester, things like that.

1:33:48 Just try to get some activity. The cool thing about it is if you were to scream, her paravagic anus won't pick it up, she won' start lactating. Baby screams, different frequency. It's not the strength, like we said in the beginning, it's the resonance, the frequency, She'll pick up on that difference and she'll start lactating, same thing happens if you're in a hospital. If you go that route and the babies are on their baby room and everything and you'll hear your baby cry, another baby cries you won''t lactate. your baby cries, you'll lactate. So it's kind of cool. She could pick out like, oh, that was my baby crying.

1:34:21 But yeah, usually those three supplements are pretty big players for breast milk production. Also in this whole, if we're transitioning to that postpartum state a little bit here, mitochondria get severely overworked. Almost every woman I see is hypo-polarizing. They're underspinning because again, If you require so much more HB production and milk's a liquid, right? So you're pulling more of that structured water out of your system. Your mitochondrion need a lot more help. So what are your thoughts on at-home water births versus a hospital delivery?

1:34:52 So always up to everyone's preference, right? No right or wrong way to have kids as long as they're safe and healthy. I do think, though, the safety component, at least in the States, because there's people all around the world that usually do at home birth and they are more than fine. As a parent, I personally don't want to take that chance. If there's a need for a c-section need, for like anything urgent, and maybe you don' have access to that. I, personally, couldn't do that, so we didn't for any of our kids. And thank God, or we would have lost three of them, because Lilo's vaginal birth, that was a 24-hour labor.

1:35:22 It was the shortest labor we had. Aidan was in 36 hours and turned into an emergency C-section because he was not coming out. Apollo, he has a 42-hour labor into another emergency section because the cord is wrapped around his neck. And then Gwen, actually hers was pretty smooth. It was still a pretty long labor, but it was like showed up. A little bit late or early rather, it's smooth, But still, we probably would have lost at least two potentially if we weren't in a hospital setting.

1:35:55 So for me, having lived through that and seeing how healthy and happy they are now, I'd rather just have that insurance policy. Yeah. Personally, if you're dead set on the at-home, then cool, do you. Just know the risks. Yeah. So go ahead. Was she vaginal or was she a c-section? No, a C-Section. Okay. Usually you can't really go back. After you have one C section, the second one they'll call it a V-back. You can go to a vaginol birth. If you cant do it after the 2nd one, chances are you won't do for the 3rd and there's more of a chance of like, you know,

1:36:25 actually rupturing, having real health problems, consequences. Yeah, so to me, usually after first C Section, if you don't get it back the 1st time, your probably destined for C Sections. Yeah, which makes it also tough too for more kids to like kind of know that that's probably gonna be the likelihood of- Right? Yeah. Yeah because we're four kids deep, three seat sections. So it's kind like, okay, five, I hope it happens. We're talking about it, but there's also the potential risk. And after four kid, body takes a beating.

1:36:55 But scrolling back a little bit, let's say someone chooses to go not at home birth, they're in the hospital. I think it is important for the guy to really be aware of his responsibilities. Because in that scenario, like your job is to be as comfortable as possible in a lot of pain, which you're going to like, you can stream, everyone's always, I've never been to a bad ward. Everyone's so nice in those specific portions of the hospital. It's their job, right? But you see life, they're meant to, those girls are the best. We had a great experience with ours.

1:37:25 But I don't see the guys stepping up just because I think they know. So like with us, I realized right out of the gate, you have to monitor heart rate, blood pressure, make sure that the monitor they put on the belly is actually making sure you're picking it up. Because if your baby starts to decel, and you don't catch it in time, then they can easily stop breathing, cut off oxygen supply and then brain damage at best. Or you know, have something even worse than that. And so for me, I think it's really up to the husband to really be proactive with that and not just monitor it a whole time, but also have like, have a go back.

1:37:55 So it was like a red light near infrared. I have everything I need to do to stay up for two days straight. Cause since our labors were so long, like after you had your kid, you're going to be up. You're like I'm on dad mode. Like you can make sure baby's good. This is whenever you take your nootropics beforehand. Because you go into a bag of cerebral isin and modafinil into the hospital. I bought everything I needed and then things for Lindsay if she needed them, you know? And so I think it's important for the guy to know like, hey, that's your time to really step up and really know what's going on and to monitor,

1:38:27 monitor and don't be afraid to speak up to the nurses. Because although that is their job, they know they're doing it, it is not in a negative way. Like for Lindsay, for example, our first one with Lila, nurse, because you all swell up, so veins usually disappear hard to get a needle in for an IV, stuck her like six times and then she, her blood pressure dropped and she passed out. And so after that, I was like, okay, you're done. I took the needle. And so like moving forward from that, it's not being mean.

1:38:57 Like, I don't want to be that guy, but I'm like, this happened the first time, you got one shot. Are you the best person here for this? And if they're not, they are so respectful. They say, nope, let me get someone else. And then they'll come and do it first try. But things like that. Don't be afraid to speak your mind and really stand up for what's going on. Cause they not doing it to mean negative or mean, It's just if you know, like you're afraid of something and going into it, make sure you have those conversations. Because like Lindsay's worst fear, my wife's worse fear was that she'd have to have a C-section. And so going into that second with our aid and when it was an emergency C-section.

1:39:29 It was terrible because that was her worst fear. And as a husband, like you gotta be prepared for that. You have to be able to handle that emotionally, physically and everything. So I think it's important to understand going in, obviously shoot for vaginal. If a C section has to happen, you guys have those conversations. What are you gonna say? What's gonna happen? And I also think that golden hour post So right, whenever you have that, you're holding that baby as soon as you possibly can. That's what turns on, cause babies come out, their organs aren't fully developed.

1:39:59 Organogenesis process happens over the next hours, days and weeks up to a point. So to me, what I've always thought of creating that resonant state between mother and baby and dad and maybe is that moment. To me that's one mitochondria of those babies they're looking around. They don't know what's going on. They can't pick up on anything because it's so new. So it is your job to introduce them to you. It can pick-up on your resonance spin. Their cells can start spinning the way you're spinning. The mitochondria can go, oh, that's mama, or oh that is dada.

1:40:29 And it can then pick it up and then the baby can like literally if you don' t do that, baby's organs don t grow properly. And there's been a lot of sad cases where the babies were, you know, mom pushes them out and then she's like, can't see it, adoption type thing. And it doesn't get that golden hour. Usually a lotta the nurses, like I don't know if they're allowed to do that or not, but I think a lots of them will hold them. Because you need that just to have the baby actually develop. I mean, I just think that's super important for both of you. Mother first, obviously, because you put up through all that for nine months. But after that, it's dad's time to step up.

1:41:01 You have to walk in with a checklist. So do you do chest to chest? with yours. Yeah. Shirt off, chest to test, you went skin to skin. You want that emotional connection. And you're like, I always cry over everything. Lindsay always makes fun of me because I'm more of a girl in the relationship. But like I was bawling. The scary one was for Apollo. His was an emergency C-section. He was our third kid, right? And they had to rush her back. No, we were going back for a C section rather. Then a new nurse came on for her shift and she said, ''I don't know what happened. I just got here.'' But they said you can't come back, it was just an And I'm like, are they okay?

1:41:36 She's like I don't know. And like... I have like goosebumps. I am not a violent person at all. But I like looking around the room for things to break. Because that's your first instinct, like protect and that is your job. If I can't do that, what am I worth? And so they left and I was in that room just thinking. Then eventually she comes out and, you know, says everything was perfect and fine. And then he was our surprise. So actually Lila we knew for sure.

1:42:06 Then after that, they were all, we waited to figure out the gender and they wheel him in and he pulls a little diaper back and a wiener pops up. I was like, We got a boy. They recorded. so I have the video. Im crying. im bawling my eyes out. It's just the coolest experience of your life. Its so emotionally draining. And so this is where the transition from hospital to home goes. No one ever teaches you this in school. Nobody ever prepares you for this, right? I think it's usually taught where you see both.

1:42:37 You see the polarity wherever. It's the best thing ever and it is the hardest thing. And everyone only talks about those. They don't talk about the middle ground. They also don't tell you that all of a sudden someone says, here's this life, go home and take care of it. And there's no instructions. Like you don' know what to do. Yeah, like you're leaving the hospital. I remember for us with our first, we're like, they just like trust us to go. In reality to me, if there is love and care, that's all you need. Cause if they're crying, either tired, They pooped or they are hungry.

1:43:09 Yeah, that's it. That's all the babies really crying for. Yeah. And so if you can get ready, because I think the first six months of having a newborn is, I, think one of the hardest things anyone can go through because with your first kid, you think it's forever. Like if no one, if, no, one has this conversation, which we didn't have, a lot of people don't, have you're like, how can I be this sleep deprived? How can me and my wife no longer have that good of a connection because you're up every three hours feeding baby throughout the night. No one's sleeping. Everyone's sleep deprived. You're still trying to take care of yourself.

1:43:39 Your hormones are flexing all over the place. Postpartum depression rates are now it's like 80, 90% of people, which they still don't give that enough credit. And then you are trying hold down the fort with working and taking care the house chores. Like it is the hardest six months. But like no one says that. Yeah. Like they say like some little tidbits and highlights and it's not as a negative cause hard doesn't mean bad. Right. But it going to be hard. If you're like prepared for that, it like, okay, I can plan things. You know, like okay. Six months, we've got to batten down the hatches and exactly.

1:44:09 And then the more you do it, the easier it gets. So it's like, The more kids you have, or the kids get like it definitely gets easier the, more, you, do, it. And like we personally never experienced the terrible twos or threes or whatever people say. I think there's beauty at every stage. There's always going to be hardships, but like to me, It's so cool. Lila's six now and like she has friends and a boyfriend, like you know what I mean? It is cool to see. You got the baby side of things with Gwen, where she's just rolling around. She's doing her little princess wave, kind of half princess waves.

1:44:39 It's also beautiful. Yeah. And I think a lot of people, you should talk about the negatives. How it's like, the ball and chain. Enjoy it now or you're never going to get your life back. To me, that's where my life started. I got married and had kids. So go back really quick back to like hospital and delivery really quickly because there are like really mixed feelings on this. Like what are your feelings? On epidurals? Yes, so I think epidurals have been used pretty consistently for a pretty long period of time and there's a high amount of safety with epidural.

1:45:13 I also think it's the female's choice from a pain aspect because some women will have a five minute labor, no big deal. You have my wife where it is 24 plus hours. So to me it isn't just a painful conversation but It's also how you want to personally have that baby. I don't think there's a right or wrong way. Personally think the epidural on paper is more than fine. And I see damaging to fetuses. This is across, I think at this point, it's in the thousands of people I've helped with this fertility process, postpartum everything.

1:45:44 Yeah. Haven't seen any birth defects, any kind of brain dysfunctions. There's been no health-based problems, nothing from kids that are born with a mother that had an epidurals. Like I just, haven't see it. Now you also have people and I don't want to take anything away from those people that did have that happen to them. I also don' know if it was the epidural, if was something else or something done during the gestational process. Yeah, Tylenol. Exactly, there's a lot of things going on that I think are contributing factors, but I do not think the epidemic is going to be one of them,

1:46:15 so I... That sounds terrifying to me, an epidurals. I saw that needle going into my sister's back. I was just like, I don't want that. That carnitine needle sometimes is too much for Taylor. The glutathione needle. Women have so much strength. And in that moment, you'll find new levels. It's crazy to see. Like I got choked out again. I got choked up watching Lindsay do that.

1:46:45 Cause I knew she hates needles. She's taking this like four foot needle in the back, you know? Well, do you think though that after that, if you can do an epidural, you can do a glutathione shot. Yeah. So if you could do that, you like, but that's again, that that the men mentality. It's the day to day. I don't have to go through it. Sometimes the bait like pain tolerance, like do men or women have more pain, tolerance women?

1:47:18 I'll say outside of, I will never go to childbirth. So yeah, I'll give it to a woman for that. Yeah. I think they deserve it. Like that's I can't imagine having a vagina number one and pushing something out of it, my sister push a 11 and a half pound baby, good size baby out her completely natural. No epidural. Sometimes I actually think women have more nerves in that area. So sometimes injections actually hurt them more. Oh, in their stomach, like in the stomach. Or maybe even they're like, that whole area is much more organ dense than a man because you have much machinery down there.

1:47:54 Yeah. That vaginal bowl is dense. Maybe that's why a lot of women struggle more with injection pain from just like your peptide and hormone injections. Who knows? But to the, to, the question of like postpartum, why is that? Because I mean, I'm sure that's been a human thing, right? For thousands of years. But is there anything to help with that and Taylor and I have talked about this before because we've helped your talk to a lot of people that we coached that have had post partum.

1:48:24 Like what is a good strategy for mitigating some of that hormonal crash that is coming out of the pregnancy? So a couple of things, first of all, if you Google it or chat ZBT, whatever, it's gonna come up. Don't take anything. It's all terrible for you. And so in reality, when I first started this fertility world, It was like, hey, that's, all I know, cause that all can research. You look mechanistically and then eventually you'll find people that are like I wanna try that. Okay, let's try this, be safe. and that happens again, a hundred plus times. Later you go, okay, cool. No problems with that, we could probably proceed pretty well.

1:48:55 Um, then you start to understand what's getting through breast milk. What's not you're looking more at small molecules passing through your breast. You're not seeing larger molecules past your best milk at the same time you could make the argument. Um you don't want to pass down anything so you Could like certain women I know have kept in um, not that I advised on but they kept it in glps during their pregnancy to keep inflammation down because they were honestly more worried about their figure which you know, sounds terrible to say, but that was their decision. And, um, obviously you don't know. But the potential implication is then that child is now born in a different GLP and bacterial environment and so they may not have the same hunger hormone

1:49:33 signaling system that we do. Like everything that make a malnourished in the sense. And those babies, at least the two that I remember off the top of my head, they were like five pound babies. And they like, to me, like we've had eight, nine, 10, we had, I think sturdy babies sounds better than saying fat babies but we'd had big babies- You want a fat baby though. You do, yeah. Cause the whole thing's about birth weight. That's the other thing going home. The first thing you have to worry about is getting weight on that baby. Because you'll lose, you want to be like 10% up birthweight and usually a little bit more, or at at birth, weight like a week after you leave the hospital.

1:50:05 So get at home baby scale, they'll lose no matter what by the time you get home, but you want to get back to that birth weight and slowly pad them basically. Cause if not one little immune system, one, little infection, things like that goes wrong. And then they start stop eating, losing weight, throwing up danger zone. One of the first things is to start actually make sure they're eating enough and then getting birthweight back up. Yeah. Yeah, I think the postpartum, like Taylor and I have wondered, is there peptides, hormones, progesterone?

1:50:35 I would imagine she would go right back on testosterone during the lactation period, probably. Correct. Normally you can keep in, you don't have the estrogen, but you could keep the progeterones in the whole pregnancy or immediately afterwards. SS-31 I found coming in amazingly well. Not just for, cause again, mitochondria and breast tissue producing that much milk, your brain trying to keep up with the sleep deprivation, vaginal biome, because you either have cesarean or you have a vaginobirth, that's trauma. Your vagina bowl is going to be bleeding, stretched out. That's if you don't actually tear that perineum layer.

1:51:06 So before, they usually say in the final couple of weeks, you get like olive oil rubbed between your periniums. You don' have that tear from hole to hole, which happens. It happened to one of my sisters. pretty effectively, but that's where like mitochondria need a little more love. So SS-31 comes in pretty amazingly well. We talked about all the breast milk production peptides. One of the, I think the best ones for postpartum depression is oxalacetate. Stabilized oxelacete from Benadgene. Again, good company, great guy behind it and everything. Alan Cash, really cool dude. I talked to him once or twice, But I that that is better at pulling down glutamate than anything out there.

1:51:38 Also fixing NAD to NAH ratios. So you can literally, like, cellularly, your cells will feel like they're fasting, but they are not. So technically, you're having a hyperchloric state, or hyper-chloric state. You can feed baby, You could nourish baby. you could nurse yourself. Your cells can heal themselves, and you drive autophagy. And you fix that NAD-NADH ratio flux, which goes down as we age or in high stress states like postpartum. Kind of a win-win. Again, I think they say don't do it when breastfeeding, But that's kind of everything. on a bottle of stuff or anything like don't take my breastfeeding just to save.

1:52:13 But usually that saffron, over-the-counter saaffron. Tropix Depot has that amazing one, higher crocin and lower saflenol content, 30 milligrams. That'll at least push up GABA while you're pulling down glutamate with the oxalacetate. So that'll usually fix like the neurological side of what happens with postpartum depression. Then you have the SS 31, more to fix overall global fatigue, vaginal fatigue breast-based fatigue things like that. And then you kind of see where hormones are falling. So, that's kind the tough part because you're in this in-between state where you need enough calories to produce in order to fuel baby.

1:52:45 But at that point, you're also like, I want to get my life back. I wanna get back to my body. And so a lot of women will try and diet and that's obviously the worst time because then hormones will flux more and then you just won't get lean anyway because you'll still be trying to produce breast milk. So normally more of a stable diet, increasing calories, not a ton, usually like a couple, 200 extra calories. Nothing crazy like that. Keep hormones stabilized. with what you were taking. You said you don't respond well to xanolutin. Other women, you might bring that in then. Small molecule capacity breast milk. you're not one of those candidates.

1:53:15 We won't use that. But this is also where like the glutathione and vitamin C drips or injections, those will really come in just to balance out your overall fatigue. And there's a lot of little things you can layer in, but it's not a matter of just the hormones. It's the whole system being fatigued. Because if you were not that stressed out, your hormones would be foxing fine. So if we're trying to get that flux back, you've just got to restore and pull down system fatigue, restore normal healthy levels. You would treat it like that. Normally something like NAD is Not something we like during the gestational period when you're actually pregnant, the postpartum more than fine to bring in,

1:53:51 but you will have higher CD38 and NNMT levels. So you won't want to manage that. Yeah. New Cheeto makes that cool product with Japanese Sephora and like some parsley and things like that, natural to just bring those down. I wouldn't like a JBSNF0008 because I just don't honestly have enough experience with that in that specific post partum scenario. That's why I risk it. You can manage NMNT with something else. Yeah. Five amino. Would that be, or is that too much for that? Sometimes. So it can hyperpolarize pretty quickly.

1:54:21 You have to be a little bit cautious with that. Whereas SS-31, it very rarely hyper-polarises anyone postpartum. Yeah, well, I think two... I don't want Taylor to think like, I've got to get my body back like right away. One, because we want to have hopefully two kids. Yeah. I would be, just much less concerned with your physique in that I wouldn't even say like a three to four year window. Because like if we say we have two, kids and we decide like that's what we, want three or four-year window to, have to kids, and then you got the rest of your life.

1:54:51 Yeah. I agree with that. Versus like, I think a lot of women stress about like I gotta get my body back, you know, and- A lot, a of it too, just to interject is at least from like the female psychological state that changes is now you become a completely different It's not even about so much about how you look, it's how feel. Because you spend nine months getting larger than you've ever been. And you put on a pound of fluid every week in the final trimester. Most women.

1:55:24 the morning sickness could be here there. You could have it the entire time. Yeah. Or you could feel the best you ever felt your entire pregnancy. Both my sisters were opposite. I had one that like loved just four kids. She loved being pregnant. Had one, she only has two kids, big age gap between them because she didn't love being pregnancy, right? Yeah, and that's the tough part, because it goes beyond just the body. It's more of the desire to reclaim you. Yeah, because you do like you end up losing yourself a little bit during that whole gestational postpartum process. So that's where I go back like to the guy like I think that that is our responsibility as men to make sure they get that back.

1:55:57 It's picking up all the little stuff around the house so they can only focus on sleeping, feeding baby and trying to get themselves back to it. That's why we pay people to clean the house. Yeah. Um, yeah, actually too. So like transition, like, okay, let's say like we've gone through that. Let's see. We want to have like two kids and again, that like three to four year window. Would you recommend for me staying on HCG, FSA, HHMG those things?

1:56:28 Like, let's say like the day she gets pregnant, baby number one. Okay. Should I just plan for the next few years to stay on those? Even if it's not like as a high dose as we would if we were attempting to get pregnant but like a maintenance dose to like make sure I don't fall off. Exactly. Keep the fertility lights on. Just go with a low dose of HC or on Clomophene, like just one, just enough to keep things firing. No matter what, if you've been suppressed for how long, once you restart this fertility protocol, it still takes time to get those cascades going. You can produce enough sperm, but honestly, the first couple billion sperm are respectfully retarded.

1:57:05 They're not functioning right. The motility is poor. There's DNA fragmentation. Like they're, not good sperm. Usually there's the initial 30 days anyway, where we're kind of clearing. So it's easier just to keep them on. It's like for me, Gwen is now nine months old and I've kept HCG in the background the whole time. Just in case, cause if we want to have a kid tomorrow or a year from now, it is always the potential. Yeah, and then you're like basically like already out of the gate if you do and just want to throw the other things on top of it. I told Lindsay I'm not, you know, getting snipped because I want keep just having babies. We were actually talking about this the night, yeah.

1:57:38 She'd appreciate when I say that. Let me ask you this, Taylor and I talked about, let's say we have two kids and Taylor is like 38, 39 and we're Okay, we're done. We don't maybe want to turn the lights off. Would it be beneficial to like have her eggs frozen? Let's I'm not saying this is like a thing, but like let's say like four years go by. If we have two kids and it's like, man, would really want another one for whatever reason. But she might be like up an age. Do you think it'd be. Like freeze her after we say we'd have to to be able to do another.

1:58:09 that is something to like where we may think, I don't think that's going to happen, but it's also too, it was like, if you're done, you don' want to necessarily like rule that possibility. Also, egg retrieval is not a comparable procedure for women to go through because I looked into doing that prior to meeting you. Like it. Was like a few months prior meeting. I was looking into freezing my eggs because that was paranoid. It's painful, it's expensive, and it adds up. You could. I think it more depends on where you guys are at.

1:58:42 Of course, I don't think that's a right or wrong answer for that. It is a viable route. There's multiple ways. To me, there's no wrong way to have a kid. So if that is something that you get to that point and you think is good idea. Yeah. Go crazy. We'll see. I mean, I think that's like- That doesn't appeal to me right now. Like I would rather adopt a child. Well I'm saying like we're thinking to get to two, see where you're at, and I'd be happy with that. Obviously we've got to one first, but get the two. See where we are at and then- Twins right out of the gate. You never know. Our neighbors actually, two doors down. Is that?

1:59:12 Our neighbor's, yeah. They just had twins. That's a good one actually. Clomid. So Clomet on paper is supposed to produce twins 25% of time. Wow. So I have four children. I've tried Coleman because I wanted to knock it out of the gate with two. Never got a kid. Okay, so that's N of one. Yeah. What happened? I tried climbing with so many people who wanted twins or as all they had access to and twins would be acceptable because they just want to get pregnant. And of all of them, I think I had maybe one pair of twins. Do you think it really is more of a genetic?

1:59:42 Yeah, yeah. Which is a shame, because it would be cool if there was that one drug. It's like, oh, you could just fertilize multiple eggs and then you can have two at one time. But yeah, I just have not seen that actually play out from what's in the research compared to thousands of people. Yeah, so we're excited about it. And we will see what happens. Maybe the next podcast, we'll have a little baby. Cool. So switching gears a bit, you mentioned Fox03. Yes. Not to be confused with Fox04DRI.

2:00:14 Can you tell us, because I don't even know, can you give us the lowdown scoop on that and see where things are going with that? Yes, so the whole forkhead box of family group of transcription factor. So they basically encode and do stuff. You have like a central nervous system on you have more of like the Foxo for DRI one. To that, you know, detro, inversal, basically one that's more like that senescent cell clearance player. Three is cool. Six is the CNS one, one is more, like, the myological one and everything. but three is the one that is more like close to longevity.

2:00:46 That's closer to the, one of like regenerating and actually driving the refusion process, vertebrae and things like that. So you dig deeper in the Fox03 and it starts to sound similar to KLP-1, where it's doing a lot of cool things, but differently. One of the coolest things I think it drives is BLC-2, or B-L-C-Two, this 19 kilodalt in variety. So it's actually called BNIP3, but this BCL2 variety is what actually drives the cleaning process of mitochondria. As you drive this BLC to 19-kilodalton variety of proteins, mitochondrial clean themselves, you can't really stimulate that effectively.

2:01:22 You can do it like ergothinine over the counter, it is only physiological stimulus. This gives you that supraphysiological stimulus, so cleaning of the mitochondrion goes up to kind of a whole new level with that Bnip3 stimulation. What's even cooler is it keeps stem cells in that quiescent state. So it can basically not release stem cell too early, where they just get recirculated. You can also increase stem-cell renewal and viability. The whole stemcell process essentially gets improved because you're only going to release them at the right times.

2:01:52 Technically, if you are holding on to those stores until you need them, you can release more at a more viable proper time. So you start looking at the stem cell encoding and the epigenetic changes from there. You start seeing, it starts pulling down on all of the negative genes and pushing up on the positive genes. So more of a negative gene is like traditional ones that encode from inflammatory markers. It'll start to literally encoded them down and push them downward. A lot of things in the longevity recovery space start getting stimulated FoxO3 that Foxo4DRI does not. It also drives autophagy and senescent cell clearance and mitophage that much better.

2:02:25 It clears out all the NLRP in flamazones and like mitochondria and in the brain. I think usually that NLRP3 in Flamazone is like the big thing that causes vascularization and calcification. A lot of athletes have that. So like, the high calcium scores in athletes that overtrain all of the time. ICFoxO3, like if we compare it to like VD11 and KLP1, KL1 does everything. Like that literally to me is the best of all of them. BD-11 is more of like the muscular and the neurological player. And FOXO-3 is just straight longevity.

2:02:56 Stem cell donation, stem cell improvement, and overall clearance and cleanup, healing. So that's like to all them, that is one of the longevity molecules. Now the problem with that, it's pretty chemically strong. Like we said, the strength is not what we care about here. We want the right amount, we want right frequency, right pattern. And we have done, normally there's this range that exists if you're healthier versus if your dysfunctional. The more dysfunction person could take a hundred micrograms or so every single day, if not more, whereas the more healthier you are, you looking at like 10 to a 100 micro grams a couple of times per week.

2:03:28 You can even do something like 50 micro-gram one week on, one-week off. That's a pretty traditional protocol I've used for like, people like us that are fairly healthy, but you want like that extra push on like biological age and improving that. But I think FOXO3 fits better into that like pure longevity category. Because KLP1 does everything, VD11 is more like a basic recovery player, but not like that's like, a muscular tissue player. FOxO is like the cellular recovery. So it's cool. I'd like to say it like 100 times stronger than FOxxO for DRI, even at clearing senescent cells.

2:04:02 Again, whether that's actually true number-wise, I have no idea, but we can use a fraction of the dose and get better results. It's like before we do like a stem cell procedure, not SMS cells, by traditional stem cells that would have like copying of genetic information, you can clear out senescent cells with like, again, 100 micrograms one time of a FOXO3. Plus FOxO4 DRI, like I tend to like 1 milligram a day for a couple of days or like some higher bolus dose, maybe day of 5 milligrams. So there's a big disparity in terms of chemical signaling potential. So it sounds like it does everything that FOXO4 does just a lot better and at a fraction of the dose that you would use like the one milligram for.

2:04:38 And FOxO 4 doesn't quite do the same thing with stem cell viability. If you also have that too, so then you're also like a stem cells procedure, you are potentiating that. Then everyone else, like you still potentiate that aspect too. So all the people that get stem-cells on, they say they don't get anything from them or they do not work. Maybe if they use FOxxO 3 before, it at least gives you a shot, you know, doesn't hurt. There's also a lot of bad stem cells out there. I think the clearance of senescent cells is a big one. Yeah. Um, I've taught a couple of clinics, and I talked about it publicly, hoping more people would catch on, but like a lotta people don't.

2:05:11 And I, think usually if you look back, you're right. Like it's usually people that don t clear out senesen cells and don' t go into procedure with a preop and postop protocol. You need to go into it ready. That means like technically best case scenario, you're getting the static off your body before you go in for that procedure. So that would technically bring something like grounding or doing something for like the magnetoporation of like an arc-pemp device or something. You get more, substrate in the cells, dump more out and then form it, make it more rigid again. And then I'll have that electron actually bounce back and forth.

2:05:41 So technically, if you're doing like stem cells, excellent procedures, right, or at least you want to get the most out of them, you would have an entire week of some kind of like a deload scenario. Maybe you'd be hypercaloric, maybe having more exposure to, again, like, a PEMF ARC device, something with a manual operation, Something on the non-coherent EMF side of things, bumping up healing peptides, then you get your stuff done. And you're in the right environment to actually receive. Because they're all just chemical signals. If you can't receive them properly, you get a fraction of the signal. That's why, like, we didn't talk about SMS cells, correct? Not yet, no.

2:06:11 So be a drink of water. Or my intro work on Shake. Well, yeah, it's interesting. Would you say, in hierarchy, maybe, so KLP, kind of like a daily player, right? Would that be like daily that you could use? Correct, yep. VD11, would that be a daily player, or would be like a cycle thing, maybe eight weeks here or there? Would that like be cycled one? That could be daily, but I'm starting to favor more of a rotation with that. More of rotation, okay. I don't see you needing that much healing if KLP1 is in.

2:06:43 So I am assuming these are like stacked. Yeah, so like hierarchy would like KLT1, dailyplayer, kind of like almost like an add on to the HRT. We have like TRT, growth hormone, and then KL1 kind like in that bucket. VD11, maybe we have that like cycled why. So we had that, like just say eight weeks on, eight week off or whatever, a few times a year. And then Fox03, would this be more of like, kind of how Fox04 would be like one or two weeks here, boom, you get like a milligram a day of Fox 04. Same thing with Fox 03, so kind like short term thing that would not be even like longer cycle, just kind a short-term window.

2:07:17 Pretty much. Uh, you could also do it if you wanted to do a longer term, lower frequency. You can only be on like Saturdays and Sundays. If that's like your recovery days, only on rest days. I'm trying something new. Now it's KLP one in the background, VD 11, one week, Fox or three the next week. And then we're rotating in that fashion. We're honestly getting, cause these are so new, we still figuring them out. But VV 11 is definitely more of a couple of times a year, I think long-term that rotation, like eight weeks on something like that. Um, and Fox three would be more. Of the even more infrequent player. Unless if you're dysfunctional, more dysfunction you are more cellular damage.

2:07:51 Or if an athlete who does require drug testing, that changes everything because you only have so many tools over there. And again, if your dysfunction, you need additional chemical pressure. Do you think we're talking a lot about GLPs earlier? Take those three things. Does that make GLP is a less relevant because like of everything that's happening. So let's just say I want to do a GLB for a micro dose. If I have those now, Maybe I still use a GLP, but I think a lot of people have become reliant on the GLPs for like, it's like their appetite or fat loss

2:08:26 or whatever. Do those create the cascades to like where maybe we don't need as much of a GLP to achieve the same results. Yes, because they'd be pulled on the inflammation. They're not really like the beta oxidative body composition players, but like from a recovery and inflammation standpoint, you're right. So yeah, it's like, even though it is a different cascade, the same end fates occurring, is happening in orders of magnitude more so. Yeah. I would kind of like slowly move away from the microdose of GLP for inflammation and replace it with something like this.

2:09:00 If you don't have access to this though, then you do have. Yeah. But they could be like the next iteration. Yeah, it'll take probably a year or two at least before synthesis and all that. Oh, yeah. Because right now there's one person in the world doing it. And like there is finally a second person doing KLP six. Talk a little bit about that because I've read some stuff on that as well. KL P six versus KL p one. Yeah. So KLP one overall player, like we talked about KLB six, basically the same, but renal specificity. You're looking more for like CKD, more like kidney failure, people like that.

2:09:32 If you look at the nephron, so glomerulus proximal distal convoluted tubule, then that loop of Henle down here, I've seen it fix vitamin D metabolism in that disto convolute tubules. I seen to fix some proximo tubal based problems in terms of how people handle fluid dynamics and things like, that always get shot off because blood pressure shoots up. if you have kidney failure, because you can't regulate those fluids and ions properly. KLP6 does that dramatically well. So KLp6 is more specific to that only for kidney-failure. It seems to not do much globally, which is it seems have more specifically to the organ site specifically.

2:10:06 Another one that falls into that core a lot of people don't know about in that whole category is that sigma-1 intracellular receptor. That's ISP, so that intracellular sigma whole molecule as a whole That's kind of only for like spinal cord dysfunction and damage. It does some things in the brain. You can use it as a phono-tropic. I've done that before. Works pretty decently well. There's better options. But like ISP, sigma-wise, is like purely spinal chord and brain trauma. Doesn't really do too much or have too little spillover.

2:10:36 So like KLP-6 and ISPs are kind over here where they're very beneficial, but more for specific situations. And then that equivalent, that's another big one, another one that like we kind of introduced to the market. That is the essentially like the dodges opioid growth factor. So you can basically being off of your opioids, you Can reduce pain receptor and TRPV receptivity, from a neurotransmission. So if you take too much though, anhedonia, because you're going to over-stimulate dopamine receptors. I don't think it's a dopamine decay receptor standpoint, but it definitely over driving dopamine to the point where you do become anhidonic.

2:11:12 But pulling down IL-6 and all those inflammatory markers like Metacafal does an amazing job. It's mainly the biggest player though. I really like it more for like the pain receptor sensitivity standpoint. So you can get people off of the, you know, the gathers of world and all those things that are pretty harsh on a lot of people's systems. Yeah. But that's another more of an infrequent player. You could use it long-term if you have chronic pain. It'd be amazing for people trying to get off of Kratom, because that's all. It works super well.

2:11:42 Such a big issue right now. I talk to people all the time about Kreatom. And yeah, Kraitom is an awesome tool. Now it's sold at like the gas station. Yeah, it gets so easily abused and people don't know about it. They don' know it is potential negative. Yes. Thought I heard Mark Bell and Chris Bell, cause Chris bells talked a lot about that. The ones that are sold at the gas station is actually not like the natural kratom. It's like, the enhanced version. That's much more addictive. Mark literally talked about that. Really? Yeah. So like it's the worst version too.

2:12:12 Like not only is it like bad, but it is also like worse version to that people are just getting a couple more addicted. Yeah, it was just that habitual nature. And it does, that's where like an ecophallum comes in, either catwalk or like a nine M E B C to fixed open receptors. Cause they get decayed from the process. But it, is, its, harsh to come off of for a lot of people. It is. Do you, so let's say KP6, what was the other one? The intracell. ISP. So those would be more acute interventionary ones.

2:12:43 Like we're probably not going to feel anything from KLP6. Right. The way we would from. Exactly. You'd see like EGFR go up a couple of points, but like you don't need that because EGR is probably like a hundred. Yeah, exactly. So like, what's it going to do versus someone with like an EGFR of like 30, probably going make a huge, huge difference or someone in the CKD, like you said, and then medic and caliphate, would that be beneficial to the average healthy person like us? Or would you say that's more acute as well for chronic pain or, you know, there's like struggles, opioids trying to come off opioids,

2:13:13 whatnot? So you could really tank inflammation by taking it. So like I sometimes take it like only on Saturdays or Sundays if I like really trash myself for that week. Because it's like with my normal schedule, I still train twice a day. We have all the kids, all of the businesses, like certain weeks I'll hit Saturday. I'm like, 110% of 109%. I don't like that. That would be great even for like even jet lag and flying. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. And that's just peptide type.

2:13:43 So it'd be like lyophilized and you reconstitute it and use. What dose would that be for? So for Metcalfalen, you can go, it's tough. A hundred to like 300 micrograms. Okay. But that a soft 300 microns. Certain people just don't get the same pain reception changes and they have to push up to 500 micro grams. But I'm a bigger fan of those lower doses because it's pretty strong and it will cost more anhedonia if you kick the dosage up. ISP, I've actually seen some hundred micrograms to like one plus milligram, something like that. If there was like a spinal cord that was severed, or if it went to a different country and a worm chewed a hole through your brain,

2:14:17 you're trying to regrow the brain. Yeah, that's happened. Have we talked about that? No, I don't think so. I mean, that sounds like something here on National Geographic. Yeah, it's disgusting. So I had one individual, this was more of a high profile, like the people with like billions of dollars to do whatever they want type thing. We were consulting beforehand just for her daughter's health. And then traveling this happened and she was like incapacitated. She could talk and everything, but literally I don't know exactly how she got the worm traveling abroad. But we actually had the PET scans and brain MRI-wise.

2:14:49 You could see like little holes, like almost complete circles through her brain. And we went through a process of, again, in this scenario, I want it to be glamorized. But like she lived on cerebral lysine, we pushed a ton of TB 500. We did have things like clotoprotein peptide one, metcofalon for the inflammation side of things. A lot with magnetism. So we did kind of like a God Helmet based set up where more eight Hertz wise to more rehypertrophy the right cortical region.

2:15:19 But then we'd also hit with some different, I'll say different frequencies because I don't want to get into it too much here. But at the end of, and by the way, this entire time, just a little anecdote, she never lost her memories, right? So you would think if hippocampus was chewed through, cause there was damage to her hippo campus, you know, wouldn't have memories. So in terms of where you store memories you're in a magnetic field around the head type thing. Hippocampsus is a vessel antenna. There's that story, there's like a guy in the 1800s. It was like the first like medical case report, I think of he actually had like, he was working on a railroad and like pole or something like went through

2:15:56 his brain and he actually lived. They like pulled it out. He like missed a chunk of his. Brain, but he was still able to like function and everything. But to the point, probably a lot was like actually outside the brain. You still need that as the receiver, the antenna. It's still important. but she never lost her memories. Either way, did a pretty cool protocol, and we were able to, we still have the scans, everything completely re-grew, went back to her normal life, haven't talked to in a while, but went to seemingly having no problems. And I don't say that to glamorize these crazy big protocols or whatever, because it was expensive and ridiculous.

2:16:30 They're super fun to do because they're very finesse on my end, so it just seems so elegant on paper. But I think it will reinforce the potential strength that all of these molecules have. Well, just for also to the average person that just wants to get a little bit healthier, that you can harness. There's a lot along the way that can you harness some of that, like if there's stuff out there that they can do that. Yeah, if you could regrow your brain, you lose 10 pounds and lose your brains a ton. Exactly. Where it's like to a of people, it seems like a daunting task. You brought up 9-MeBC, which I don't really know too much about.

2:17:03 I've gotten asked a a about it, though. What would be a good use case for that? Because it doesn't restore dopamine function. So is that something you would take as a nootropic, or is it actually reserved for someone that has anhedonia through whatever something that's happened to them? Maybe head trauma, maybe worm in the brain, whatever happened. What would be a good use case for that? So it's chemically strong. Anything to push up dopamine, I'd put this on par with maybe a modafinil, Adderall. Depending on who's responding and who is taking it, dopamine can get jacked through the roof.

2:17:35 So that is awesome. because it's more chemically strong, you either need to be more dysfunctional to need it daily, or it is that infrequent player for that dopaminergic drive, that neuroplasticity change, and it s one of the only compounds that really repairs doping receptors. It actually rebuilds those receptors postpartum. If like someone like went through like a miscarriage or something like post partum, like stress like that. Yes. So normally, um, so with a lot of those like traumatic events, the sooner you can get to it, to better, meaning you have to actually,

2:18:06 ideally you would completely abolish mTOR for 72 hours because you could stop the refolding of memories. And then you afterwards, we place that with the back end dose of like really high dose 90 MBC. Like we're talking like a hundred. milligrams like doses, I kind of don't feel comfortable staying on here. But usually you're taking like 10, 15 milligrams, like a normal dose. That'd be more of a traumatic scenario where you were trying to really erase a memory. To stop the folding of memories first via blunting mTOR, which could be really pushing up rapamycin to crazy doses.

2:18:38 It's a good long-term in this scenario that's worth it. And then back that with 98 BC. But normally 9mABC to me is, it could be an infrequent player, but 10, 15 milligrams. It's not a frequent player unless if you have like the post finasteride syndrome or like real bad anhedonia, or you've really just destroyed your doping receptors with midafinal abuse, adderall abuse. All the kind of amphetamines. Do you think for people with GLPs that get anhedonia from GLP's, it could be potentially beneficial? It's a nice transition drug. Okay.

2:19:08 And you'll slowly work it out and usually replace that with like a subroxy or so like doping, reptic inhibitor supplement wise. Yeah. Or like cat wabble or both of those. Rotate those, you're trying, if you are tapering, If anyone out there is like addicted to any kind of medications, drugs, supplements, whatever, It such a high chemical signaling compound. So pick one below that taper, pick on below, that taper, come back to baseline. Gotcha. And so that could look like, again, we'll say adderall abuse to nine M-E-B-C, to suboxone catawaba to nothing. or like different iterations of that, that's chemical potential and strengths going down.

2:19:42 Yeah, I think a lot of people, more people than I realize deal with dopamine deficiency or could be things too from like addiction components, like video game addiction or things of- Oh, the social media component. That's massive, yeah. I wonder if someone's addicted to social medias, if that would actually help wean them off if they were trying to get off. It does. It usually have to handle the screen component, the magnetic component. Because most of those people, if they're addicted to social media, they are normally not having anything to blunt, it's not even blunting blue light,

2:20:17 It's getting more exposure to near infrared. So even like the first change I'd make is, hey, If you're going to be on your phone, go to one of your panels, one your red light panels and turn on the near-infrared. You have to see it, but it has to be on that for one week. So then if they're there, again, it's not the blue that's so bad. I mean, technically that lower spectrum, that what is it like sub 50 nanometer or 450 nanometers below those are sub 440. That's like the bad blue was the upper end of like 450 plus that nanometre range for blue is actually beneficial. but you're getting a lot of the negative aspects of negative portion of blue light and no near infrared.

2:20:48 You can replace the near-infrared. I think a company has, I can't remember the name of it, the glasses, but they have those glasses that are allowing the positive blue to come through the lenses and bluntly the negatives. Those are pretty cool glasses. They work pretty well. And then you would slowly layer in like those other players do. Yeah. Shifting gears a little bit, because it's definitely a topic I wanted to cover with you. Let's talk about non-androgen muscle builders. So if we were going to, which I think is like a conversation of itself, is A lot of people shy away, it seems like recently,

2:21:24 with androgens in muscle growth, which I think is probably a mistake. Meaning that if you want to put on a little bit of extra muscle, I it's a very reasonable conversation to talk about HRT plus or sport HRRT. Temporarily going up on that to putting on an appreciable amount of muscle for longevity purposes, and then returning back down to baseline and keeping a good chunk. of that for health purposes, like, you know, our muscles, are metabolic currency. So like doing that, I think people shy away from that because they're scared of, oh man, if my testosterone goes up, especially women,

2:22:01 right? Because like women they don't want to virilize, they want of masculinize. And so there has been a big push or like gravitation towards some of these like non-androgenic muscle building, whether it's like myostatin inhibition or whatever it is. Just give us your lay of the landscape of where you think we sit with that and like what the future of So if we broad spectrum over my statin first, right? Cause there's all these different ones coming out like that. That's crap. Alpha full sad. It's been around for like all of these difference ones. Right? Yeah.

2:22:31 They work decently. Well, I think of all them taught that crap alpha works the best. Yeah, it's not commercially available. What's very hard to synthesize. Like that's a whole process in and of itself. But I feel like cascade myostatin wise. has been almost beaten to death. I feel like we haven't found like that next myostatin inhibitor to really do what we want it to do. If anything, we get the Decarin management from growth hormone that then will push up to pull down myestatin. So if anything it's either high androgen levels or higher growth, hormone intakes that will modulate myostatin more so.

2:23:03 I think all the other myostatin inhibitors have their place and purpose, but in the athletic populations, if you are a powerlifter, strongman, bodybuilder, androgens and growth hormone like the tried and true, that still lives up. That does enough to manage myostatin. As you transition to the longevity community, If you don't have that androgen backbone at a super physiological amount, which we don' want that, right? then you're trying to look for something else to build muscle. That's where this conversation comes in, right? You can't push antigens crazy high. So instead we look to other players. I think one of the better ones would be exogenous growth hormone.

2:23:34 Now, again, it doesn't have to be a half an IU or a quarter of IU. It could be one or two or three. You could work it up and as you kind of progress beyond three to four IUs, you are kind like in between that range. The management of myostatin and everything in that, what I do think the growth hormone really comes into play, because you push up dechrome, which growth hormones does, it'll pull down myostatin. So I think if we're looking at that in like this longevity community to build more muscle tissue and try and be as healthy as possible, there's a pretty big range. Like usually females are taking a couple of values, right?

2:24:06 Men are usually taking couple more. So I see like right at that three to four IU range as being into the athletic world where you're potentially maybe running into problems versus the longevity dose of like two IUs, three Ius or less. Now in reality, if you are controlling blood glucose, If you were controlling HP1C, plasma insulin, cystatin C, you looking at all of your blood markers, there's not an excess amount of inflammation, no vascular calcification. Like if those aren't happening, not having blood pressure swings, then growth hormones not cause any negative consequences long term.

2:24:37 The only thing there is if you have a tumor, it can proliferate it. So you go to cancer check labs, you check your CTC, so checks for circulating tumor cells. You have tumor is going to pick it up. To automatically know if have cancer or if don't. It doesn't tell you where it's at, but at least that tells you. So if there's no familiar history of cancer or if you know you're in the clear, then as long as you work on growth hormone slow and steady, I don't see the net of repercussions everyone talks about. I remember there was an older study about intracranial pressure going up with growth hormones. And I think I've ever seen that in reality until someone hits their max dose.

2:25:09 So for most women, it's usually about three IUs. It's about a good range, usually above that. A lot of females tend to get more fluid accumulation and then problems, glucose dysfunction. A lot of guys, probably four to six. And I think those are being conservative numbers. I have seen women go higher and men go hire, and so not seeing long-term consequences. We're talking about one to five years. Because I've worked with certain people for like 10, 12 years, And a lot those people, we've stayed with them for a long period of time. They're in that older demographic. You just don't see those things happening. So I From the whole myostatin world, I do think growth hormone is still one of those better players.

2:25:44 I think like Tadev Crep Alpha is a pretty cool myostatin inhibitor. Um, i think the full statins and things like that, think we need like a little, a Little more love there, little more research there. Cause we're not seeing the application hold up to ever. We're seeing some cool things in application, but not being as applicable as like universally accepted with growth hormones. things like that. So another kind of sidestep, right? A weaker player, but something that still works pretty well, especially for females, is always injectable oxytocin. We will drive that biotransformation process of adipocyte to myocyto. That's where all the original trend-blown research got blown up, because it stimulates oxytocin to X levels and drives this amount of mTORN and anabolism.

2:26:20 Oh, I didn't. So is that why people like get super? They're just like on trend. They feel like I'm like crazy because they're like oxytocin 24 seven. That's like the biggest driver on it. The interesting part about that is though you don't seem to get the same muscular changes. If you do intranasal, it's more of the localized injections post-workout. So if you're looking at like muscular, mononuclear communication in a highly traumatic environment post-workout, it's kind of the most like receptive time to give yourself these molecules. Probatoxytocin, if anyone's taking it, you take too much, first grab a heart attack.

2:26:51 You're having that head pounding, ears pounding. The head rush, like it feels odd. Be close to a toilet. Exactly. Exactly, so you want to make sure you work up to a dose before that. So I always say start with 10 IUs and slowly workup. Usually around 50 to 100 Ius is a good place post-workout split bilaterally in the muscle you chained. There's potential to drive localized muscle changes. Nothing really in research but I've seen it happen. Those muscle bellies hold on to more nitrogen, they look around therefore they recover faster so I go with what works. And if you stay in that range, 50 to 100 I use, you usually don't experience those negative effects.

2:27:25 I'm someone who personally, I can't tolerate oxytocin above, what is it, like 10, 20 I used, something like that, which actually going back a little bit to the magnetic side of things with Brandon's ARC device, i removed the metal around the vial of oxy tos. So I did the experiment. Because I was trying to structure that water, get it more cohesive, more coherent, so it can basically cause those protein molecules to communicate better, right? So that's coherence. I had one valve oxytocin out reconstituted another reconstitute put it in the middle of the coil. I would play with the frequency in depth of field penetration to try and so when you work with water it's like a six to seven minute window I found where

2:28:01 you can give it enough stress but back off so it doesn't turn too rigid and kind of turn against you. Kind of like whenever lightning hits it and it kind Like stiffens up. And I did that for a couple passes and I Did the one day of the normal vial and 20 I use gave me the head rush I know that so wait another day did the same thing 10 I used did not give me a headrush because that was in the vile left out So I don't 20. I us that's my range did The same with the the arc that I basically structured the water with and started with five Iused didn't feel much 10.I use head brush So there was technically a 50% change in the

2:28:35 negative side effect profile, which meant we caused more cohesion between the protein molecules and more communication between proteins in there. Yeah. So going back to structuring peptides and molecules, and things like that, just because we're talking about oxytocin. But either way, going to the anabolic benefits, females respond extremely well to it. Usually it's... I don't wanna say the word tone, but usually that female conversation is, I wanna be toned, and I want to be hyper muscular. They'll exceed that tone look pretty quickly. So it's going back to not exceed, that hyper-muscular look.

2:29:05 It's usually on the upper body. A lot of females don' want bigger biceps and shoulders. Would it be site injected for females into the area? So you would like inject that in their glutes? Would you like IM? You know, like, okay. And you can just do shallow, 31 gauge. Yeah. Just do it instead of like into the fat, just like put it more into those. Exactly. Because you're getting so locally applied anyway, you are just looking for localized receptor mediated clearance, because it's going to come and go globally anyway. But those initial molecules will ping off those local receptors and cause an additional chemical signal from that initial ping binding,

2:29:36 whatever you call it. Yeah, I tried for a while. I did four administrations of oxytocin per day, but I didn't in a nasal spray just because it was like morning, noon, night. Yeah. So there's a study. It was an eight week study in humans that it actually For weight loss, if you did four administrations a day of 50 micrograms, which I want to say is around 20, I use, uh, cause I think the IU conversion of oxytocin is like two and a half. Yeah. It's like a weird number or whatever.

2:30:06 Uh, 30 minutes before meals. Yes. I do 50, micro grams, thirty minutes for meals, four times a. Day. Does work. And that was with a nasal spray. I would imagine that the injection, which would work more just, I didn't want to load a bunch of syringes. Probably could have made it into a pen. Uh, just for whatever reason. Didn't when I was doing that, it definitely does work. What is interesting about oxytocin, everyone loves GOP is right. If you want appetite suppression, The appetite suppression you get from oxytocin is very real, but it is much easier to tolerate because what's interesting,

2:30:37 and this is shown in this study, people eat to satisfaction, But they eat less food. So where's the GLP? You're eating less and you know, you're Eating less because you kind of feel like a little sick or a Little like nauseous or whatever or not. too bad, but like that, it's kind of that GLP feeling of like, I can't put any more food, oxytocin, you enjoy the food more and you just by nature eat less. So it was actually like a better appetite suppression. Granted, It's in a very short window because it is not like GLPs that's like lasting the whole week.

2:31:09 But I will say that like there definitely was like physique Component of that probably would have been enhanced if there was yeah, like I just felt leaner and also too I ate less but I enjoyed eating less Whereas like because we'd like to eat like we like food is like what the GLP is Like you almost don't even enjoy the food. Where's the oxytocin? You actually enjoy that food probably even a little bit more because of like the the Oxytose in there. So I thought that was interesting. But again, it's one of those ones you really to get that effect I noticed you kind of do it like three or four times a day.

2:31:39 Yeah And with oxytocin too, the one thing if you're going out in public with Oxytosin, technically it'll cause you to be more sympathetic and fire up your amygdala a little bit heavier. If you were introduced to more like a snail, you don't know. So usually I tell people, because you could use it for the nootropic benefits, all these things, if your going into an environment you dont know, I say don´t use because it can drive aggression. So in the wrong scenario, again, because if you're in an unknown scenario you will more fire the amygdala. Whereas if are more in a known scenario like more of an intimate scenario it'll drive more erectile performance, it will drive better orgasmic potential.

2:32:13 So females will have that 10 out of 10 orgasm every single time. If you go out in public it can be the opposite response. It is environmental dependent as well. That's fascinating too. I didn't know that about trend. You know, it's interesting of trend, I've never done like high doses of Trin. Um, but I'd say like up to 200 milligrams a week. Granted, was an anthate instead of acetate, which you come up a little bit more on. And I'm done that a few times and. I don't get like super aggressive at all. I probably am a little bit more like driven.

2:32:43 Maybe it feels more dopamine, I guess. It probably isn't, but I would say I'm a bit driven, But if anything... I have worse side effects from taking Mastron where my estradiol will crash. That is like bad news for me. When I crash my estrodial, my mood is terrible. I'll even say it was going off the estrogen because this is not good right now. Interesting with trend though, in like, you know, eight week cycles when I've done it before, like 150 to 200 milligrams,

2:33:14 I haven't, for me, it doesn't make me like crazy or anything like that. But it's funny because of like... that makes sense with like oxytocin now, of how There's a relationship there, but it's also, too, like if you don't want to take Trin, well, there's some oxygen. You're going to get some of the muscle building benefits, and to the point of non-androgenic muscle-building, I think that's huge because a lot of females, it seems like, more males, if they're in this world, they are comfortable. Hey, can run some TRT plus and be OK and kind of get what I want.

2:33:46 But I see a a of female shy away from that because they don' want go too high on my androgen, And then what do I do? Well, I think there's like, obviously, let's talk about growth hormone. Let's talked about oxytocin. At least they're a little bit more tried and true before we go down the route of like start pulling levers that might have more long-term negative side effects than we would want to see. The exogenous insulin. Well I actually wanted to ask you about that too. And I don't talk a lot about insulin because I want people to be, like, very responsible around the use.

2:34:17 Obviously, too, it's also kind of like if you look at the numbers, the LD50 of insulin is a whole lot higher than people probably realize. But you also have to take in the equation of, everyone's a little bit different insulin sensitive. You know, just like a a bit. I tell you what, Taylor and I were talking about this the other day because I haven't used insulin in a while. I probably just need to anyway right now because i'm not trying to be like super lean and so it's like you'll get like a little thin layer of water like that you use insulin so like if you were doing a photo shoot or whatever you're not going to your like absolute leanness if your using insulin. But I'll tell what I think, controversial opinion, insulin could actually be a longevity compound.

2:34:50 meaning that when I take insulin, the way I respond to food, I feel like I'm 18 again. Like when was a football player and like, had this like massive response, like my body would just like soak up the food. And again, to the non-antigenic muscle growth drivers, we know insulin pretty doggone safe, right? And the amount of like muscle, growth, and like look that you can get on a pretty low amount of insulin is crazy.

2:35:21 So why don't you talk about that? Because I would even say like, I've heard people make the argument that's a good argument, like insulin up to like five units a day could be like actually beneficial for longevity. So I think the biggest misconception or why we're going to those polarity of the camps, right? Those polar opposites is because you hear the word insulin, chronic hyperinsulinemia, which could be eating McDonald's every single meal, being insulin resistant, having a plasma insulin score of 20 plus all the time. that will calcify and cause more arterial plaque accumulation.

2:35:54 That will cause oxidation of LDL particles. that'll cause all the health problems, right? Yeah. If you're taking Lantus every single day, long acting compound or like the, you know, the other long-acting ones, that we'll also put you into more of a hyper-anesthetic condition all of the time. So same kind of thing, but that's not really in the like, longevity community, because they're using it, certain people use it to manage glucose levels, plasma insulin levels are crazy high, still causing inflammation. Side step to the left and go with your Novelin or your Humalog, which you can basically make run apedra in and out of your system. You're hyperinsulinemic for anywhere from like one to six hours, one or four hours depending on how fast you metabolize it.

2:36:30 So then you're looking more in a dose equation. Now from a dosage chemical signaling aspect, the Humologs, Novenars, and Apedras, if you are staying sub five IUs for the majority, that's going to put your hyper insulinemic score 12 to 15. And that will depend on what you eat and all that stuff, but that's transient. That's probably better than like 90% of the population walk around. Exactly. So what's you end up doing is in a pre-workout scenario, you are fueling lactate metabolism. You are fuelling ATP replenishment. you're stopping that over-excessive catabolic cascade to drive more metabolism post- workout.

2:37:04 In the post-workout scenario, post training, whatever, you can hyper-store glycogen. You can pull in more nitrogen into myocytes. Put more where you want it and away from more adipocites which are holding toxins and causing more inflammation. So I agree. I think in the right context with everything we said there, insulin could be used as a longevity drug or molecule. The discrepancy is always Just saying the word insulin. Yeah. Exactly. That's a crazy high dose or the duration or frequency, like all those things that does make a difference, you know, but I think sub five,

2:37:37 I use like I've taken five years of insulin almost every single day for coming up on six years or so. Um, and I only used it with benefit in all of my blood work, all my scans. Like literally every thing has improved again, anyone doesn't matter so much. So if the other hundreds of clients I worked over those years and same kind of thing, people are getting better. People that are abusing insulin in other sports out there, they have the heart attacks and arterial calcification and even a lot of plaque accumulation, tau protein wise in the brain. You can see the difference. So we're talking about proper use versus abuse.

2:38:08 Yeah. Well, I know like when I've used it in past and I have blood tests on and typically my fasting insulin is always below five, usually around like two to three. you know, if you're using it and typically what I would do, I don't know what you would suggest for a protocol. I will do like when I'm starting out, like two, use pre-workout and two I use post workout. And for me, Like I felt amazing on doing that. Obviously just make sure I had carbohydrates, 30 to 50 ish grams of carbohydrates pre 30, to fiftiesh post with that, and then usually I'd have like a

2:38:40 period workout carbohydrate like the Targo or something like that that I've been drinking while I am training. Amazing when I'm doing that and both Taylor and I when we've done that the results are for physique purposes I mean that it was good having tried myostatin inhibitors, and i'm not like saying anything negative about myosin inhibitor out there I Think it's been superior in my experience Using those and again, that's one of those things that like we know for a fact is relatively like healthy, like we can say like within parameters,

2:39:11 if we do that. I feel like it's a more sustainable muscle development too. Yeah. Whereas in like the myosotin inhibitors can like almost give like a water. Oh, we should talk about that real quick actually. I can't remember who said it was from someone I liked. I don't know personally, but they said that full of statin or no, it would almost that inhibitors cause fake muscle. It causes almost like a water retention type muscle that will go away after using it. Yeah.

2:39:41 Yes, no. That's why I wanted to say it. I remember liking the person in general who said it so it's like anything negative. Um, that occurs in like cell cultures or anything where there's no mechanical trauma or stimulus induced. So the whole myocyte maturation process starts with a spark of IGF and goes through the hole nuclei, nucleus, fiber, and then assignment process to give you a functional fiber that does stuff. So Mitostatin, the pushing up of Decarin, all those things go in conjunction with that process.

2:40:14 So if you were to take, say, folistatin by itself, yeah, like that's going to happen because you'll create basically like little water balloons. We will store some fluid and nitrogens. But I don't know anyone who's taking folestatin itself. As soon as you induce a mechanical trauma, flux a little bit of cellular pH and just like literally lengthen and load a muscle, that kind of goes away. So you're actually building real muscle with it. I think, and I could be wrong, I'm trying to remember the slides that were posted up, but it was more in isolated scenarios and it wasn't the right demographic.

2:40:45 because we can pretty reliably look throughout history and see, okay, if it was any kind of myostatin inhibitor, you see real muscle being built. You don't see water bags or sacks. But I have had people that want to do the old basin studies. So it's only androgens, no training. And they built some muscle, but it, it seems similar. Look, It's not quality tissue. It almost just like more retention. Its more ions, more fluid, a little bit of nitrogen, little of glucose, But like it just looks like a balloon. Really weird. Same thing happens if you just take folistatin. Doesn't happen with growth hormone though.

2:41:15 But if you take just answers are full of stat and no training you get that look. Yeah, but I don't know anyone who's actually doing that So I remember seeing that a while ago. I never made a video about it cuz I didn't how to talk about It yeah, yeah But I think that was kind of a little bit misleading because it doesn't well, it's kind one of those things like on paper McKett mechanistically. Yes, this but that's not real life Yeah do stuff I Think to To that point, do you think, so we have like hypertrophy and hyperplasia is a myostatin inhibitor

2:41:51 causing hypertrophy, which would be the growth of existing muscle, or hyperplegia which is actual formation of new muscle cells. I don't see them as being mutually exclusive. Okay. So because to me, yeah. And to be, that's the same thing with androgens, with growth hormones. I think it's as simple as a binary only hyper trivia, only hypoplasia, because you can only grow in size so much for you need new bundles of new fibers. Not only that, but what if you go through more like of an a lactic style of training and all of a sudden switch glycolytic?

2:42:21 Then you have to create new fibers to accommodate the load. But those alactic fibers, they're not just going to atrophy and just spontaneously can bust. They're going stay there. Probably store less glycogen because they are not being utilized as much. That hemodynamic flow of those types of fibers versus the more superficial type fibers. You're changing the priority, but you're still having the fibers there because I don't think it's as simple as it. It's also like the fiber type per muscle group. it's not like all this is fast twitch or slow twitch, it is a blending of each.

2:42:51 It's kind of like what the rear delts and the posterior and anterior delt. Now there's like, what? There's three heads there all of a sudden. People can just kind figure that out. Yeah. Like, It is not as simple as just one muscle belly, one fiber type. To me, its conglomerate. So I think they're always in conjunction. And maybe certain ones will favor hypertrophy or hyperplasia. But at the end of the day, once you cause the growth of new ones, you have to increase their size. then hyperplasia becomes hypertrophy. So it becomes like, it's like chicken and the egg or AMPK.

2:43:22 You have to have both of them. It's more of a cyclical nature, polarity. Yeah. Just to kind of go in summary, let's say you have a female, pretty fit, like she's the goal weight she wants to be and everything, but they want that like extra five to 10 pounds of muscle. Would you go hierarchy wise? I would think HRT first to a level to like where androgen load is not so much that they're going to masculinize, but you need some HR T. I think if you're gonna put on muscles for, yeah, for a female to HR, T first.

2:43:56 And then I Think growth hormone next to add in and then potentially insulin next. I think if someone does those things, they're going to get pretty darn good results. Yeah. Especially within like a five to 10 pounds of muscle to the size of the glutes or the sides. Most women don't want bigger arms, but like this, the definition and the arms. Also, I forgot oxytocin. So if you had those four things right there, I think you can get, would you agree or disagree that you could get about 90% of the physique goals that someone

2:44:33 would feel good about like posting a picture of themselves with? You would need something to put more pressure on mitochondrial systems. Okay. Cause you'll burn through substrate faster. So you have to fuel that and back up that ATP production process. But yeah. So would that be like a MOTC or SLU? SL U for like the body composition changes. Motsy to me has always been the intra, like in the intermediate pair between longevity and body competition. SS 31 tends to be more of like, the healing agent, fixing the escaping of electrons, restructuring water, things like that.

2:45:03 You can use them all for similar purposes, but I think SLUs more geared towards that, yeah. I mean, I think right there, just having used all those, having seen people use them, that's like pretty, pretty good, like stacked to get most people in the direction they want to. It's also relatively affordable. Since we're talking about female glutes, if we talk about localized glute expression and growth, then I do think the IGF DES has come in to locally spark IGDF maturation. And then even like some of the transderms like transgerm BPC 157 to drive more vascularization to the area.

2:45:36 So if you get more vascularization in the glutes, usually better contractility, better recovery. But even more so than that, if look at like fat loss for the glut, love handles things like that. They don't get a ton of temperature fluxing. It's not like your quads, right? Like your gluts will get some, but that lower back, upper glute insertion doesn't a kind of kind temperature flexing, so adipocytes have a hard time liberating. So you could do like the topical like that's open, like Matt Porter's old company with the capsaicin and yohimb and things like, but also the BPCs tend to work pretty well from like a vascularization standpoint.

2:46:08 So, so we know BBC, I think increases growth hormone receptor density or sensitivity. And it also cause heat shock protein 90. You can get more interest after sticking around more to basically suck up and pick up more ligands. So, could you inject IGF deaths into the glute and then rub some BPC transdermal on it? Would that potentially be synergistic? Yes, but the timing wouldn't matter as much. Okay, so as long as you're doing it like... Exactly.

2:46:38 At some point in the day, you don't have to do it right after. Post-workout, IGF and even in-curl, like straight IG-F1. Ideally, this is done post-myotrauma. You have the set up growth hormone receptor expression. It would be essentially weight training, come home, post workout meal, eating some growth hormones, 60, 90 minutes, first pass, deliver, and then your IGIF variety. If you're trying to be like as optimal as possible, but still in that post-workout scenario for glutes, you just split bilaterally and rotating, not every like single ejection, with every other workout, that tends to enough.

2:47:09 Hypothetically, if you had Ncrelex, what would be the, would it be similar to the dose of IGF desk? Lower. So it's tough because, okay, so this is where we leave the longevity conversation. And we enter into performance. This is more like athletic. You're definitely going to be down-regulating hepatic systems, renal systems. So different conversation. But in this world, usually like, I even like as low as like 10, 25 micrograms and slowly work off from there only because the degradation rates can be

2:47:42 so high. If you don't know that five milligram per mil is really three migs or two mig per ml, you can easily go hypoglycemic. Like someone I know. Yeah. Story for another time, story time. But yeah, that was the problem too. Cause like pharmaceutical Incalex I think is 10 milligrams per milliliter. And so like getting 25 micrograms. I wonder, do you think you can, I mean, this is complete speculation. Do you you could dilute it down with more backwater? Not probably cause it doesn't have. Yeah. They have specific misters for like, um, like Mr Incalx in France, Like that whole stuff from like the bodybuilding world.

2:48:15 Yeah, it's probably not all backwater. It's not like a lyophilized thing that's like back water. But then the other products, I'm not sure. So you would just have to look and see what they're actually constituted with. Yeah. Well, good. I think at the very least, IGF desk, that is relatively easy to get. And you can dose it because it is usually lyphilize at that point. And since we're on that topic too, of all the peptides, peptide fragility, Incalex is one of the biggest ones with the higher fragile scores. We leave it out, it degrades fast. Whereas the BPCs, the TBs the KPVs.

2:48:47 So we talked about this a little beforehand. It's like, if you look at the PHs like again, BBC is about 7.0, TB 500 is at about seven point four, KPB is six, seven. You guys know that by the way, with kids? I heard that I was like six, seven. I said that to Taylor the other day. It's like, I don't understand it like about six seven, you know, like I. Don't get it either, but I have to say it every time they always do this for me. That has kids out there. They'll appreciate it. But either way, growth hormone peptides like a 5.5 to 7.0 range, um, GLPs are like what 7 07.4, 7 5, some point six.

2:49:19 It depends on the product. The amount of backwater, the reconstitution amount, of the lifelike powder, that all changes the pH. pH is dynamic. What you care about more is mainly extremes. So like the copper and methionine conversation, where one will basically catabolize and cause a lot more catalyzation of other and destroy the nature, all the proteins in there. That happens in like a sub 4 pH and a plus 9 pH, so unless you have that polar opposites, blend together pretty well, along with the fact that they're

2:49:49 pretty dynamic from a pH aspect. So these things will flux and they'll try and stay in harmony. Yeah. As long as you're not doing things poorly, if they are not poorly sourced products, you are combining hydrophilic and lipophil compounds, so fat loving versus water loving. If you avoid those basic things, the majority of your peptides are only going to reconstitute fine together, but then they can also be left out at room temperature for pretty decent periods of time and not have problems. It's interesting, there's a study on Matzi. So there used to be this big debate, probably still is, about Matzzi, you had to mix it all right away, because it only lasts for 15 minutes.

2:50:21 Yep. 5 milligram, 10 milligram. You've got to take it at once. I heard 5 seconds. Yeah. Countdown is on. He makes it out, pull it up. To which I would say, I'd advise people not to do that. Because if you started a higher dose of Matzie, people have anaphylactic reactions to it. Go hypo. Well, yeah, well you could also go hypro, too. So I actually started doing some research on this a while ago. There's actually a published paper that they mixed Masi with backwater. And I think after 30 days at a pretty hot temperature, it was in Celsius.

2:50:52 But I want to say, if I remember it, was around like a hundred degrees Fahrenheit that it left at like warmer than room temperature. I don't know. It was like 98 to 105. Yeah. Like, yeah. And it was stable out of the fridge in that heat for 30 days mixed in backwater. So I think in some cases, obviously we want to refrigerate most peptides because that's like the best practice. Yes. A sterile, normal controlled condition. Just for safety. Yeah. Well, there's also a debate about like the testosterone being left out at room temperature.

2:51:24 I've always said, Hey, all I know, I'm not a chemist. All I have is I refrigerated testosterone and it's always done fine for me. But the real question is, why are you using testosterone? Just use growth hormone is what I would say to people because I think test, test is better than nothing. Even at that though, I'm pretty sure a lot of people have done enough of the studies. They've actually sent in for testing to see if it's been left out or in the fridge. And they're coming back with the same purity, the degradation rates. I don't... I don't know if it is more like a views thing.

2:51:55 Like, again, hey, this is a different idea. If you want to get views, if you're an up and coming person, you wanna get used to inauthentic way to do it would just be take, take truisms that like most of the community would agree on and just say the exact opposite. Because a lot of people get scared in the peptide world because they're like, it's all new, right? So like lot people are like they are relying on influencers for information. It's really not that new. It's not like decades of this stuff. But it's popular now, so you're right. It is newly popular. And so people get scared because they're like, oh my goodness, did I just waste all this money doing this because I'm kind of scared.

2:52:28 A lot of people, too, because of the injection barrier, I think in their head, for someone to inject something for the first time they ordered off the internet and to do that, that's a big barrier for them psychologically to reach. So when they do, and then all of a sudden they find out, Maybe I did it the wrong way. Cause someone's like preying upon their fear. It kind of creates that. But I think Lord, long story short, is that like most peptides are a lot more stable than we probably think. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have best practices around it.

2:52:59 I. Think for the most part, like obviously you wouldn't just go like mixing 17 peptide and one syringe and just praying for. Yeah, that doesn' sound too smart. But I think for the most part, like most people are operating within a confines, they're doing the right thing. And we've been around long enough, we're seeing this and it's gone well. Think back to how many peptides you've reconstituted normally, no aggregates form, there's no cloudiness, There's injection site irritation, you only feel the positives. You go through the list of all of them.

2:53:30 As you're kind of younger in this peptide journey, You might get more lazy as you move forward, but yet it stays the same. Like the very few, at least I've found for myself and a lot of people, it's like very infrequently do those bad things happen. The injection site thing can happen more so. People get adhesions, they don't like rotate injection sites or they're just not sterile practice or it pours back water, like something like that. But I mean, other than that, I don' see people having a lotta problems with the peptides. with reconstitution, with storage, like it's kind of basic to me.

2:54:00 Avoid extreme temperatures and don't like whip it around. And even at that though, I wouldn't actually send one in reconstituted and see how much it degrades in transit. Because even with that, because we've done that with growth hormone back in the day where you shake it up and get that tested and you're not losing that much. Whereas the moment you rehydrate those proteins, degradation begins. But if you're losing 0.00001%, it doesn't happen. Practically speaking, how much does that matter? I think very little, if at all. Exactly. Yeah, still be safe.

2:54:30 Still do things smart. But you've got a pretty big leeway. If you leave it out overnight, not a big deal. Put it back in the fridge. You're good. Yeah. Or if you're traveling and your ice packs don't stay cool the whole time, or if your traveling fast and you are going to be somewhere in 24 hours. Actually, traveling does change. I'm glad you said that. Oh, because of the pressure. You have the radiation of everything that's getting scanned going through security, number one. Yeah, you have to pressure from the cabin change, the hypoxic environment. you do actually have some changes there. That being said though, it's probably not that much.

2:55:01 So it would be more than like normal. Yeah. Do you, so I always, if I'm bringing peptides, I'll always put them in a check bag. At least I maybe skip the radiation from the, but I get it for myself. Thank goodness it is there to radiate myself for the machines. But at least my peptide are safe. I usually put him in the checkbag, But I know a lot of people will put their peptids and then like carry on and whatever. I didn't think about that with the pressure change and then also to the cellular imprint of the water. You could technically put it in a Faraday bag.

2:55:31 Yeah. That at least helps with like the non-coherent EMF exposure. It doesn't really do much for the pressur changes. So you're kind of, but even at that, the presure changes are fairly minimal to affect those proteins. Like you could take your ketones and that would negate a lot of radiation effects on you, which you can't like pour ketone into your BPC. Well, we've been going for three hours, and this has been amazing. Just in closing, I wanted to ask you, you're the one person I know that maybe not has a crystal ball, but understands trends in the industry.

2:56:04 Yeah, in future, where do you see, because peptides are exploding right now, even the last three or four years, of what we've seen where GLPs have come on the scene and everything that has come out. What are you the most excited about and seeing on a frontier of peptides? And I know we talked a lot today about KLP1, VD11, FOX03, and some of those things. If you had a crystal ball with the industry, especially if you have a hope of where it's going, what do you see in the next 12 to 18 months of things going

2:56:36 towards becoming popular and people really having good success with? I think it's more of the combination of more like bio resonance work combination, of non-coherent F mitigation with your peptides, with small molecules. So doing the things like putting your peptides in your Lila quantum block or using them, exposing them to the architect. Or like all these things, I think the small molecule world is accelerating so fast, it's only going to give us so much. And then everything else is holding us back. Like again, we have that frequency, that coded pattern in our brain that holds us backed magnetically.

2:57:10 If that's not covered, you can only high perch for your pineal gland soo much, but that'd be telling everything that was out there. So I actually see it be the merging of everything. I just got a new bio-resonance machine, so you can listen to it. It'll basically pick up on the frequencies, scan an area. If there's an inconsistent frequency, it can send the proper frequency to scan that and make it better. We have all these technologies. And they work amazing by themselves. Peptides and molecules work amazingly by ourselves. I see is the emergence of everything. Yeah. So I really see like that as being the future because like Dr.

2:57:42 Small, who he does stuff with like RFK and all that cool stuff. Like again, we all know him, super nice guy. The way that that's gone, like, that been all like people don't know this, but that the bio resonance work. That's like all this quantum based stuff that the general public thinks is kind of crazy. If that's what people like him are doing and other people at that level, something's there. And then as small molecules are now rising up in popularity, once you can bind them, that I think when you really see the magic. So I thing with AI as well and how everyone's progressing, everything's excelling at such a fast rate, it's going to be that emergence of,

2:58:16 oh, we're going find that one peptide in that machine, and that going be the thing that will fix everyone pineal gland. or heart, or whatever the problem is, I think it's going to be that combination. Because the peptide has the signal, and then essentially everything else to manage how that signal gets received, transmitted, then projected. So I really think that's the future. Yeah, it sounds like to like more upstream stuff. Even if we talk about like KLP one and some of these other things upstream, stuff that trickles down into like almost every system towards like now in

2:58:50 like with peptides, a lot of them are like strong chemical signals in one pathway, which can be good, but it's also like really strong down that one. Pathway. Okay. I got the fat loss I want to, butt now I've got these side effects because I lost way too fast. You know, just like, We like modulate some of these more upstream things for overall health and longevity. And then that kind of builds a better foundation to which then we don't have to use huge doses of a JLP or whatever, because everything else is going to be working so much better. I really do think just to add to that, I feel like there is gonna be one molecule. Yeah, it's gonna be a super molecule.

2:59:20 It's not going to be naturally found. That's going be synthetic derivative. Yeah. And it can encompass everything we have right now with all of our molecular structures. So it could encompass stimulation of GLP, GIP, GCG. There's been, again, I'm not working on anything like this, but other people I know that kind of are trying to do, they're calling it a Super Molecule. Um, that's already in the works. Like there's nothing concrete. nothing yet. But I've always thought that started going to go to where people take one thing. It's essentially replacing everything we're taking now. I don't know when that would be if it's five years, 10 years.

2:59:50 Like that is also where I think it is going go. So it going be like that. There's going one therapy and there's gonna be one molecule. and that's what's going to cause a lot of our species to evolve. And that kind of creepy thing started to drag this out. If you look at history, anytime there's a revolution, it always happened when 50% of the population became educated. So what happens if all of a sudden there's one super molecule and one by residence arc machine, whatever, right? That fixes everything.

3:00:20 All of the sudden people kind of start to see question, think people start learn. And then what would that revolution look like in today's society? Cause it's not back in the day. It's like storm the gates anymore. You can't do that. It'd be kind of fun, but you know. I'm not going to do that on the front line. But seriously, what would that look like? And I think, I mean, it'd probably be a lot of chaos, which would be terrible. It also would cool because like, to me, that's, there's that next level, whatever you're trying to achieve. And, and I that that is going be big step in like the human evolution.

3:00:50 Yeah, I think too, to that point, maybe you look at revolutions, the nature of revolutio, thus far, at least in like our recorded history, it's been concrete. It's like maybe now it starts to move into the abstract information type realm. Yeah. Like we're now the revolution will take place. through information rather through, than through like physical domination. Cause that's typically been like resources, physical, domination, like the way that revolutions take place.

3:01:20 And it's like, the fight over that worse to now, maybe it was like more in the information-esque space. Like we're playing with these molecules and we like find, obviously like there will be a physical component of it. We're planning with molecules to like accelerate human intelligence in a way. That's not like transhumanist way, but the one that maybe like a return to real human like real, like kind of like we talked about with some of the magnetic stuff today, but like a real human nature that then allows people to understand who they truly are. Cause I think a lot of bad health things, it's like people have forgotten what their real power is because it has been like,

3:01:55 you know, conditioned. out of us. So I'm excited to, I think there's a lot of work. I am excited know people like you to be able to bring this, bring us out there. And I hope this will kind of help shift people's perspective on that sense. Cause you know, it's easy to like in the day to day, to get caught up in like, you now this molecule, that molecule but like broad spectrum, like if we zoom out, What is it really about? It's about making people healthier, having better lives, becoming more like ourselves, connecting better with other people. And then in this earth school, learning the lessons that we're supposed to learn and not regressing and have to get kicked back to to learning them again.

3:02:33 I mean, seriously, this should be a positive, fun experience. If you're taking peptides, seeing negative side effects, if you do anything to see a negative effect from it, something's wrong. Life should not be that serious. That's why I don't get mad at stuff. I didn't like get involved in drama because it just doesn't make sense to me anymore. It did when I was younger. It's just, you know, everyone says life's so short and I'm the opposite. I like life is eternal. Like no matter what you believe in, there's something after this. So I spend any second of that less than a hundred percent happy.

3:03:05 And it's going to happen like you said, but like, just be less serious about it. It makes life so much more fun. Then progress picks up and then everyone's happier. Yeah. Enjoy the ride. All right, well, that is it. Thanks, guys. Let us know your thoughts and feedback on this one. Obviously, too, Alex is a genius. You can go check him out at all these places. It's the best place, TPC Army, on school to go, check out your private group and everything. Yeah, school.com, backslash, tpcarmy, and then theprepcoach. com for inquiries and all that stuff. Okay. Yeah, I'm in the group myself, Taylor and I are in there and it is a wealth of information.

3:03:39 I highly recommend everyone check that out if you want the real stuff and not that vanilla stuff you're going to get on all the top 10 podcasts. So not to those are bad, but anyway, thank you guys, Alex. Thank you so much. It's always a joy and a pleasure and grateful to call us or for us to