Saturday Morning Coffee Talk · 3/28/26

0:02 And we are live. Good Saturday morning. Hope you guys are doing well. If someone in the comments could just let us know that they can hear us. Okay. And we will start talking. I think some people were getting upset last time that we were doing the mic check, but when you're live, you don't want to start. Yeah. Then have no one hear you for 15 minutes and then not not hear it. But I do see people coming in and so we'll just make sure that someone puts the comment and yeah, make our mics are good. That we sound good I've become painfully aware and I actually appreciate feedback.

0:40 I think a lot of people, especially if you put yourself out there, they don't like to hear as much critical feedback and no one likes to here negative things said about themselves. We just talked about this yesterday morning. Yeah, but I will say Taylor and we're talking, I used to mumble really bad when I was younger. And that is one thing. I didn't have a stutter or a lisp or anything. That is, one, thing I've just had to work on my whole life is not mumbling. When I communicate now, I have to enunciate my words much more.

1:11 It also particularly happens when i speak really fast, if I get excited about something. And anyway, I have become aware, especially now that we have our studio set up and everything to enunciate my words much more. But the first podcast we did with Sarah, there were some audio issues because the mic that I had was, we didn't have the other stand set-up yet. And so the arm was not a moving arm. So it was like this arm can move. If I move, it moves with me.

1:43 And so it can stay the same distance. Or is that when I was moving and so my, my mouth was pointing. So anyway, uh, just to preface that, but hope everyone is having a good Saturday. This will be the last Saturday of March. I can't believe April is already here. That's crazy. Depending on where you're at right now, we are choking on pollen outside. It's almost, it's kind of stinks because the weather is really nice. But now the pollen, I looked up yesterday and we're kind in a flight path where we live, where the planes land, not too bad, but it was almost like a yellow haze.

2:14 You could see, there was like, the plane was going through a cloud that you could it. Like, man, that is crazy. And Our dogs don't like it either playing fetch with the dogs yesterday. And it was so dry. Luckily it rained last night, but it's so dried. Their dogs were like choking on pollen with. The toys and the grass and everything, got to love North Carolina Springs, Anyway, anything on your mind in general, and guys, go ahead and put the questions up there.

2:44 We'll get to all the question I promised, but anything in your head in the peptide space that is going on right now that excites you, scares you. I would say nothing ever scare. Well, the things that concern me or scare me, I'm not going to talk about cause there are just things we don't use. Um, not that it's scary, but I think there's, yeah, we're just not gonna go there. I thing with everything happening with the regulations of peptides, um, becoming more accessible for medical, just, uh, don' want to use certain terms.

3:21 Yeah, just talk. Just talk, you're good. I think a lot of people are worried about the research industry, about it, like, what does this mean for research? Does it mean we're going to only be able to get peptides prescribed from a doctor? does that mean research peptide are going away? And it's something that I'm concerned about. Like, I, think that's a positive thing. This is things I've said for years, but eventually peptids will be moving into that realm to where they're going to be more accessible for doctors.

3:51 But I think that it's a positive thing because peptides are so powerful and they make such a big impact on people. And they have changed people's lives. We've seen with the people that we work with just how much of a benefit it has using these tools and how, you know, they've kind of gotten a bad light in, years prior, but now that have more people using them and Honestly, I think it's because of research peptides. It made it accessible for there to be more case studies with them and for more people having accessibility to them.

4:26 I get annoyed when the medical medical teams, like the medical people kind of come in and be like, yeah, peptides shouldn't be researched. Like all the research peptide are bad. And it's like no, no. No. We did you guys a favor. like we were case studies for us because no one was studying this in clinical basis. Yes. Are there some clinical trials going on? Yes, but if it wasn't for research, they wouldn't have become mainstream like they're becoming now. So I just, I get annoyed as someone in their research chemical research industry of like when medical people want to come at us for that.

5:05 And not all medical, not saying all. Well, yeah, I don't think it's obviously not all medical people and I'm friends with so many doctors who are passionate. And I think people here, here's what I will say. This is the hierarchy of what we are dealing with right now. You have big pharma that sits on top and right. Now, big farmer wants the GLP money. That's as they say, follow the money, Big Pharma wants to GLT money? I. Don't. Think they initially care so much about the BPCs of the world, things like that. No. They may try to stem the tide of those becoming popular, which it looks like they're not going to be able to do, but they may just try the stem,

5:39 the title of becoming a popular until they can come up with patented versions that they re profits on. Fair enough. That's what they do. The next layer down is the compounding pharmacies and the independent world, I guess of the, the clinical world that you would say you have a lot of private doctors that would use a compounding pharmacy or even large public companies now like Kim's and hers that will use compounded pharmacies to make what they would be called compound to GLPs.

6:09 And so big pharma says compounders are bad. They're the ones that are ruining everything because they're dangerous. Their giving our patented drugs to people in a component version that is now dangerous is going to cause harm to them. The last four years, and it's kind of funny because Big Pharma depended on the compounding pharmacy world to get all of the people hooked on GLP-1s because they weren't able to meet the demand. And so they said, hey, help us make these so we can get everyone hooked them.

6:39 Which I mean, I'm in support of people being hooked GLPs. If there's a thing you can be hooked, GLPI would be better than alcohol or whatnot. However, Big pharma relied on The Compounders to fill the need and get everybody addicted to GLPS, so to speak. And now that there's not an emergency use authorization for those big pharma is saying, well, the compounders are bad now because they're taking money away from us because their giving you quote unquote dangerous versions of the medication. And where do the compounds turn? Well, compounder's and the people with the clinics of world and everything like that.

7:11 They're saying we're not bad. We're doing everything that we are supposed to do. Quote unquote getting inspected by the FDA, whatnot, blah, it's the research people that are. It's the four out of every five peptides right now that are being consumed on the market are research peptide. They're the bad guys. There are the back ones. And so you have this chain of blame that it goes from the compound or the big farmer to the Compounders. Then they're blaming the research world. Whereas the Research World just really came to exist because of what the government did to compounders in 2023, which is basically they made those 19 peptids

7:45 category two advised against making them to which it became harder to prescribe them. Yeah. Basically, it's a point the finger type game in the research world, because of the nature of what it is, is the easiest one to point a finger at. But like you were saying, we now have the the Research World is what drove much of this information into the mainstream. Research world is The people that figured out how to use this. It's the people that figure out, hey, what is the dosing for VIP? We don't really know, but let's try it and figure it out.

8:16 And then, oh my goodness, VIP helps heal gut issues. That helps you autoimmune disease. that helps bring down nervous system tone and everything. Helps you enter into more of a parasympathetic state. The compounders of the world, they're like, we want our money. We want hundreds of millions of dollars. We're little old compounders, we're making hundreds of millions, big farmers making billions, and you have the research world that really just exists to fill a gap, to avoid, that gets the short end of the stick and they really have no representation, nor do I think a lot of research worlds really want

8:47 representation because if they bring attention to themselves, everyone else is just going to try to make them look bad. And I admit that sucks. But anyway, one thing I was working on this week, if you're on my email list, I sent out a survey for BPC-157. I'm with some group of people, we're just working, on bringing safety data around peptides. and I think whatever spectrum you come at this, whatever side of the fence you've come from, i think it's a good thing to say that we can have user crowdsourced data, around safety. Maybe not even efficacy so much as safety, meaning that these are safe things.

9:18 If we have a list of 10,000 people that have independently verified that they have taken something like BPC 157 safely. I don't know that will necessarily be able to shut down the research world. Yes, they may introduce it into the compounding world and have the ability to go through doctors. But I just don t see the world as being something that could necessarily shut you can try to handicap it at the knees right now with payment processing things and like that until, this is my opinion, I'm not a lawyer, until it becomes something that there is a precedent for criminal prosecution against

9:54 people using and selling research peptides, which does not seem that we are even close to right, at least right. Now that could change, obviously anything could But until we get to that point, I would say the research world is going to exist in the fashion and format that it does. And people have to understand too, peptides are so fringe right now that most people in research are kind of like driving this market forward. But think of your neighbor. Like if I think about the 10 neighbors around my house right know, how many of those people are going buy a research peptide from a website and use that?

10:28 Maybe one or two. The whole thing also too, people are still very scared of injections. But I think if you took the average person and you said, hey, you can inject this from your doctor, or you inject it from a website that you buy it off the internet. more people are going to be open to getting it from their doctor. And I think to the point is to expose peptides to a broader class of people and really drive the market forward to look at root healing. The best thing we can do as a community, whatever it is, is have data to say, hey, this is safe.

11:01 We're not doing anything that's harming anybody and actually get it in the hands of prescribers. Then ultimately too, what I would dream ends up happening, maybe we never get there, that Uh, one of our friends was talking about in Thailand, she can just walk into the pharmacy, pull her red, uh, and BPC off the shelf, go check out and walk out. Do we ever get that in the United States? I don't know, but it would be really cool if you could just go into a CBS or Walgreens and pull some, some BTC and GHK right off. The shelf and do it now in United states, will we get there?

11:33 But at least in terms of, of driving the narrative forward about safety, I think that's where it is. But I think that's where it is. Obviously we come from the research world and that what we're in support of, because really what that means to me is I'm in the support being able to use whatever I want in my own body. And to wax poetic for a second, I can go 10 minutes from my house and go to an ABC store or anywhere and get enough liquor to kill myself in three hours. But you can't walk into a CVS and you get PPC-157 to which you could inject the entire inventory in a store and nothing bad is going to happen.

12:08 Well, and there's some states that all drugs are legal. Well yeah, I think we see probably, probably like Oregon and other states like that to like where it's not even criminalized too. Yeah. Which I know why they do that. You know, it was interesting. I'm going to change the subject a little bit because I don't, this just like popped into my head. And I am going change it a bit. Is that I was watching a reality show. As you do. On the show, One of the cast members on the show has an eating disorder.

12:44 She's anorexic. And then I get like super, I'm already super annoyed. I don't know why sometimes I watch these reality shows, but that's not the point here. and she's talking about her eating disorders with anrexia and then she has been using her zapatide in GLPs. Then she goes on a whole rant about how dangerous These are, and because of this show and, because this is being talked about a ton right now in the press,

13:18 obviously like no one's going to take advice. Probably it's like this trash reality television, but what are your thoughts on like on that with anorexia, bulimia eating disorders with GLPs? I know it can be beneficial. I actually think the, this would maybe be an unprofitable, I can't speak to it because I would never say I've had an eating disorder other than sometimes I like to eat too much, but I wouldn't classify that as like an disorder.

13:49 Well, you know, several people that had eating disorders and GLPs have helped them. If you think about it like this, what do we know that GLP are doing? They're normalizing, neurotransmitters because they're improving the environment in the body, which means then you improve the metabolic environment, the buddy that's going to help everything downstream. If you look at someone with an eating disorder, where is that driven from? Is it driven, from life's trauma? is it, driven? From dopamine deficiency or too much dopamine or not enough serotonin? I don't know.

14:20 But if you, look, at it as a strictly brain problem, I think the GLP would help the environment. That would then help, the brain be able to handle that more efficiently. Meaning it would normalize, behavior that exists beyond the bounds of what we would consider healthy and happy, which would be for a lot of people could be addiction. Some people it's an eating disorder. I think by improving that environment, you make a person feel better to which then they have more of a normal relationship with food.

14:53 Yeah. But I can't speak to someone if they say they're anorexic. Yeah, they could take a GLP is just going to enable them to be more anarexic? I don't know. I mean, I've heard better. Like I heard actually the opposite that it actually helps them. It actually helped them normalize their relationship with food. What do you think? Because you would have more of a women's perspective. You see much more women that are anerexic and not that doesn't happen. And yeah, but as a woman, do think that The, what would drive the eating disorder behavior could be improved by a GLP because it normalizes the relationship

15:33 with food to which you, you don't have this same obsession with. Because then it becomes no different than brushing your teeth. Do people that are, a lot of people don' have a problem strictly avoiding brushing. Maybe I do something. It's actually I brush my teeth every night, but I could probably brush them more in the morning Sometimes the problem is I don't want to drink them before I have coffee because my breath will stink after I've coffee And I forget to have it brush. My teeth after have a coffee, and I will use mouthwash however to the point if you think of The normalization of a relationship food.

16:11 I think you potentially improve. What do you thing? I can, it's kind of like a double edged sword. I do think that it can improve the relationship with food, but I think if you're somebody who also, I also can see like where GLPs like will suppress your appetite so much, like it will make you like not hungry. And then some people have told me they forget to eat. I mean, I don't forget eat, maybe some days like when I'm fasting I get busier and I needed to break my fast sooner. But I think forgetting to eating can happen, but I do think that it does help normalize the relationship with the food.

16:49 A lot of it also is a psychological um you know mental state as well too. I think a lot of it too especially for women. i think it's also a gut my like a, gut micro like issue as, well i. think, a. lot, of women like like not taking digestive enzymes that's a huge one especially when you're on glps or without being on, glp's like i, think. A lot. Of it has a a to do with the gut. Yeah, issues going on.

17:19 Yeah as well too because a lot of times like Just think about me how many times I complain about like feeling bloated after I'm done eating I think that's where like especially with believe me where a lotta women get triggered is that like they already had this psychological issue like of not being happy with the way that they look and then they eat and Then they feel full and it's like, there's a difference between like full in bloat, but like that full bloated feeling can feel very, very similar. And then you get in your head that like Oh, I ate my stomach's now bigger because there is food sitting in it.

17:51 I haven't, my body hasn't had time to digest it and break it down. Now I feel bloating. Like, and now I'm uncomfortable and I now just like want to relieve this feeling. That's where a lot of times the issue comes in. Yeah. Yeah, I think if anything, it probably, like I said, from a brain standpoint, improve most people, not all, because some people get a little depressed on GLP. You see that more with semaglutide. But most of what normalizes the environment that improves metabolic health, that then improves brain health and then helps people.

18:26 feel better. And so those things don't become, and maybe if you would classify eating disorders more as like an addictive compulsive thing, like in that category of things, I think it helps. It obviously helps those. So I would be interested to see more data on that. There's a lot of thing if I could wave a magic wand and say I'd love to have a study or a thousand people that tell me their experiences with this, it'd be really cool. But anyway, Anything else on your mind this morning?

18:57 No, that's it. All right. Let's jump into some questions. Sheena is the first one on, and she says, husband's on 225 milligrams test, Lodo Cialis and estrogen. His hair has changed a lot. It looks like he put his finger in a light socket, super dry curly and a mess. Taylor, as the resident hairstylist, what would you recommend? Don't ask me because mine's about there is something I do notice that like, there's something like I feel like like with testosterone hormone replacement therapy,

19:33 I think that it does like it can shift the texture of the hair. A lot of coarseness. So hair product wise, to do like any kind of like lightweight moisturizing creams. Is that what I use? Well, sometimes you use a moisturizing cream. Sometimes you So there is a difference. And again, hair products that I recommend are not cheap, but Orbe has a really good hair cream called, it's their curl cream is really and then they have

20:13 another lightweight moisturizing cream from their smoothing line. That one's really a good, I'm trying to think of like, less like expensive salon professional lines that are so really good, but any kind of lightweight moisturizing cream, because you can always add to it. And even like on days that like you don't dry, you could always have it in there. So yeah. Do you find that people's hair gets more curly when they're on hormones?

20:45 or that thyroid thing. Well, I consider thyroid part of hormones. So my hair's gotten curly. Your hair hasn't gotten curlier. There is a picture. Or there was a pitcher of you that your mom recently sent. I don't know. But Zane Zayn was really young in it. That was probably 20. Yeah. And your hair was longer, but it was not as I mean, it, was, It was it had a body, But it wasn't curly, one of your other brother's hair is like,

21:15 as like the younger two are, but it was like more wavy. And it's interesting too. Cause your brother, his hair texture, when I've seen pictures of him, wasn't as curly as it is now. His hair has definitely gotten curlier. It also might've been too, that was the first time I grew my hair out. Because before that I used to, in high school, I should shave my head by myself. Yeah. That can make a difference with the, the vortex of the hair. But anyway, you know what's interesting about hair is I was using a GHK cream this week and every time I use it, like I'll put it on after I shave.

21:54 I really like it. My hair, every, time within one to two days after using it my hair starts to grow so much on my body to the point it's uncomfortable. Like this morning I had shaved my chest probably like a week or two ago. Usually just shave it every couple of weeks. And it was so itchy because like the hair was growing so much. It's crazy how much GHK grows my body hair specifically, but it does. I mean, for me, my, head hair, I'm very fortunate and blessed genetically.

22:24 Good hair genes from both sides of my family. My dad's is late fifties. Still has full head of hair, even like shaves it bald. My grandpa's 84. He still has pretty much a full of head hair. Your other grandpa that died 13 years ago, he had hair while he was doing chemotherapy. Like it didn't even fall out therapy. And so yeah, fortunately for me, but even still it just makes my hair very thick. Yeah. Especially on my face too. I do think it does make, it doesn't make body hair I feel like thicker and coarser.

22:57 Cause I even noticed that even. with my own. Yeah, it's becoming more common. And I don't inject GHK. The only GH K I use is a serum. Well, that's what I'm saying is not even from injecting it. It's just from the topical. I can put it topically on my face, but it will make my body here grow more. Jennifer says, do you have any feedback or results from people taking an mTOR inhibitor like rapamycin for longevity? Hunter, I've heard you talk about good effects from SGLT2 inhibitors.

23:27 Are these opposites? I would not say an Sgl22 is an opposite to an MTOR. They're kind of adjacent. To my knowledge, mechanistically, the SGLT2 is not going to inhibit mTOR as much. Now Metformin will. Met formin is like rapamycin light. That formal would be kind of something that I think a lot of people hate it. I still take 500 milligrams of metformins. Hey, met formins, I would think it'd be something there's a good balance of suppressing mtor, but not too much, whereas rapomycin is a very large manual

24:02 lever to suppress mtor. Which basically means you suppress mTOR. Think of mTor as if mtor is on, we're growing. mtor on means muscle building on. Muscle building mode on is m-TOR up. M-TOR down, muscle-building mode off, fasting autophagy mode, on So lower m Tor is more like you're fasting. And so when we are fasting, our m TOR is lower. AMPK is typically higher. SGLT-2s don't really work that way, although because of what they do, they signal to the body to be in a fasting state.

24:37 But I would say Metformin has more mTOR suppression than an SglT2 would. I personally don't use rapamycin, I might mess around with it in the future. I think as people get into the late 40s and 50s, they could probably take, the standard dose is six milligrams, you could maybe do on a rest day, take a six milligram pill of rapomycin and get good mTOR suppression to which you're inducing some autophagy there. but I don't feel like I'm in a state right now, just based on everything that I can objectively measure from health that,

25:07 I would do that. But I will say metformin to me, if you want to go down that pathway of mTOR suppression, met formin at 500 milligrams would be a good trade off of not having too much mtor suppression but also getting good mTor inhibition to kind of induce those autophagy pathways. Rapamycin can be good. I just think it's a use case thing and then obviously you wouldn't want do it. The problem is if take mtor suppression too far, we end up losing muscle. And then we, what does that do? We don't want to be frail because we're going to have low muscle eventually lead to especially after the age of 15. Yeah.

25:45 The way I like to view it is we kind of want do this dance of have phases where we are growing muscle and then phases, where were more of in like a rest and digest autophagy type thing. So you want it to cyclical in how you do that. If you're in a cycle, or a phase where that would be more of the focus. I think rapamycin can be appropriate, but I just wouldn't want to do it all the time. But I mean, there is very compelling data around rapamysin, and but the SGLT-2's roundabout would get you there, But, I wouldn' think of those as something

26:15 that's suppressing mTOR, And I you can take SglT2 daily. And it's crazy. We just got our, some blood work done and both of our EGFRs probably from FOX03 that we had done recently and SGLT2s that use every day were 100. And an E GFR over 100 indicates a very good kidney health. Obviously like you get into like other markers to look at, but that would be kind of the one indicator and our GFRs were a hundred plus.

26:48 I think mine was a 100 and yours was like a little bit over. hundred. So point being is that SELT twos are, I think miracle, in the next 10 years, they will become so much more prevalent. I talked about that on the podcast I did with Dr. Abed this week, and he's a big fan of them too, from what he sees from a cardiac perspective. Speaking of GHK, Jim from Chicago says, what are your thoughts on higher amounts of DHK? I love that peptide actually take 35 milligrams. Would a high dose provide better benefits? Think I would just play with it to see where you go.

27:20 The only rate limiting thing of ghk that you would say is there's these people that will complain about copper toxicity. I've done math on this. Now, whether this math is actually right or not, it seems like in order to have copper toxicity or even broach into the area to which you would say like, okay, maybe there's a little bit too much copper. You'd have to inject like 60 milligrams a day. No one's injecting 60 milligram a of GHK. intolerable pain. You have intolerant pain before I think you would get to that point, but three to five milligrams per day, absolutely not. And I, think relative to man, woman size, you could probably say like even five kilograms per.

27:53 Day, You might see more benefits than one to two milligrams. Per day. I. Think it's more of a tolerability of how, how much you can tolerate the injection without pain, before them. But no, I would, wouldn't say that that would be an issue and potentially, there's probably a threshold point. Three to 5 versus 10. Are you going to notice it? I don't think so. I think you would notice more benefits from 10 than you with five, but probably more than five than he would one for sure. But I dont think it's like, you know, for people that will mega dose BPC, which you can do in a short, short window, do like a couple of days and five

28:28 milligrams of BBC, or I even like doing TB 500 better than BTC in that higher dose fashion. You wouldn't want to do that all the time, but I definitely notice, you know, if you do like five milligrams of TB 500 or five or 10 milligrams a TB, 500, there's more benefit than just one or half a milligram for healing purposes. Kathleen. Oh, I always forget to put the questions on the screen. Yeah. Kathleen says, how do I make my estrogen not go down? The 16 OH pathway goes mostly 16. That's a long conversation.

29:00 I mean, there's not one, like one supplement you can take. There's like, one thing you take, for people that are metabolically healthy, most of the time, your estrogen will metabolize in the way that it is needed to, to be healthy. Meaning that you tend to see the improper metabolization of estrogen, which is very misunderstood. I'm not claiming to need to an expert. You tend to see the improper metabolization of estrogen when someone is chronically inflamed, obese, metabolically dysfunctional,

29:30 and has a very high toxic load and burden and a lot of excess fat that stores toxins that then affects this metabolisation. My first thing would be, are you a healthy body weight? Are you metabolically healthy? Do you train? You exercise, do you detox, sauna, you do glutathione and everything. So that would my recommendation. There's probably different supplements I'm sure that you can get into from there, but most people are metabolical healthy, aromatize the proper amount of estrogen, whether it's a woman that's using testosterone and estrogen or just using Testosterone in most men.

30:05 That would by recommendation, Lisa, welcome to the first live podcast. Hopefully it is all this cracked up to be. Good morning, Dione. Dosing protocols for sloop. Any new sites on injectable sloop? I have tried lyophilized injectible s loop. I did notice a benefit, but milligram for milligram to me, it was the exact same as Oral capsule dosing. I actually think transdermal sloop is the play here.

30:35 Now, there are versions that you can get, and this show is not for sources. There are version you get that I have not tried that are suspended in oil. The reason I say the lyophilus loop is I think the nature of the molecule, from what I understand, it is much better carried in an oil and suspended in oil than it would be in water. Because it's smaller? I don't know, I'm not smart enough or know enough about chemistry.

31:08 I will say the trans dermal sloop for me, maybe even had a slight edge to the oral. And I just applied that on my traps before a workout and my forearms, and it seemed to do really well. But the injectable sloop, I would just be careful of one sourcing because I had a chemist make that for me, the Injectable one, to try it and see what it was. And I was like, it's not any better at all. Maybe even slightly inferior. The one that I tried that was reconstituted with backwater.

31:39 But there are ones out in the wild that are suspended in oil to which I think that that would be superior. Those are few and far between and hard to find. I didn't feel like it did. The injectable. Yeah. I mean, I didn't either. And that's why I was just never really talked about it. Again, it could be more of a fact from the world. From the oral. yeah. and I would say, even the transdermal was more effective than the aural probably. Hey, that a future of where I think we're going to start seeing more trans dermal.

32:09 Seems to be for what we have tried so far. Good morning, Renee. Great to have you here. A lot of Axion collective members in the house. Speaking of axion, there's Katie. Free tea is 11, which is concerning my practitioner, but don't feel negative effects. Is there a threshold women should generally stay below also balanced with progesterone and estradiol? Well, first of all, I would ask to the point one, what unit of measurement is that? If it's the 11 that I am thinking of, because there are different assay measurements with free testosterone.

32:42 So Katie, I would ask you what the reference range is. Most likely, they were saying the Reference Range on your test was probably like 0.5 to 2 or something, and you're at 11, to what your practitioner would say it's concerning. Also, too, depends on when was the last time you took your tests off prior to getting your blood work done, because that can make a difference as well, Yeah. What the timing was with the injection, but I would say to me, if you feel good, If you were not masconizing, who cares what the doctor says?

33:15 If he feels good and you're healthy and everything on the blood work. To my point, the question would be for the Doctor, okay, what indication of that testosterone being a free testosterone at 11 is dangerous? What are we seeing that is danger from that? You look better, you feel better. You have more sex drive, happier, more metabolically healthy. And so that's the thing is that when you treat lab ranges instead of symptoms, this is the game you get into. This is what a game a lot of doctors get in to because they don't understand is to say it's too high.

33:45 Now, obviously there's probably a point for women, well, there is a for point women to which free testosterone would be too high. If Taylor's free to testosterone was as high as mine, There would probably be some issues there. Yeah. She would cease to have more feminine traits. we would say make her more of a woman. However, if her free testosterone is too low, she will also cease to have things that make more a women. So obviously there's a therapeutic range, which is going to be different for everyone, but this is the problem.

34:16 If you go to a doctor and they literally only care about treating the lab range because when they go back, it's like, okay, I have a hundred patients. Where do they all sit up? This one's high. Nope. I can't have that because I don't want to get in trouble or whatever, whatever it is. And so to that point, just disregard what your doctor says, or if she's not going to treat you, you would probably need to find a new doctor to which Katie's in the group. So you can always message me. I would also do like maybe next time, depending on when you took your last, like dose of testosterone, I'd say next, maybe come off of it at least like

34:50 five days prior. Well, yeah. And see if that makes it come of sooner before you get your blood drawn. You can just manually do it. And the doctor's like, Oh, see, you're perfect. It was two or three. So you are perfect and you have my stamp of approval for health and everyone's happy. Yeah. Then we just go on our merry way and do what we do. Jacqueline says, currently taking red at 2.5 milligrams HRT, including testosterone, lost 30 pounds on tours before that. Strength training regularly, getting enough protein, but my food noise is off the charts.

35:23 Anything I need to add? Hmm. Good noises off the charts. You could either up your rata, you could add in or full bleak con. I can never say that word correctly. You could, not a fan, you could add in CAG. Personally, I don't like CAGs, 50-50 people do. You can add CAGS if you really are suffering more so from that food noise.

36:02 macro breakdown. Like, are you having food noise or you under eating? Because there is a time period like when you go from like that much of a weight loss. You know, we then like, Are you at your weightloss goal? Do we now need to like focus on putting some more muscle on like there's a couple things I Short, short retort answer is increase the RETA, add in coagulantide, and then or for Gleapron if you wanted to.

36:34 You could also, this seems to be a topic of contention these days, you could add interzapetide to the retatrutide which you will be doing is skewing the balance to have more GLP and GIP. And so there's a big debate of, oh, you can't take triseptide with red trutide. At the end of the day, we don't know. No one's studying right now, whether you take Trisaptide or Trutides. You really just have influencers that shout and say, You can do this. Can't do that. You can do whatever you want. I don't care what you do, I just want to help people figure out what the way.

37:04 And if someone's on Reddit true side, there's a couple of options in your two and a half milligrams. There's couple options you can increase it to see if that helps with the food noise. If you're increasing the dose, or you could throw in a two to one ratio of hers to Reda. So maybe if you put in one milligram of true's appetite once a week alongside Redda, you will definitely have more appetite suppression. How do I know? Cause I've done that a lot and it works really well. hunger on Reda, especially as I like up the dose. For me, Redah normalizes my appetite very well, to which I eat enough, but I don't eat too much.

37:37 But if I was having food noise with Redha, cause I've done this before, I would just add in like a micro dose of true appetite. And you can do it at the same time you take Redoh, you could do on the off days or whatever. You could even do, we've talked about it in our group, You can even throw in some semaglutide. So if you wanted to do like, a tiny, tiny dose, of semoglutaride alongside the Redda, I think you could do that too. But I've used Orphoglipron alongside rata. That will definitely turn off your appetite. And so we don't really know yet, but having personally experimented, I seem to get good results from that to, to the effect of food.

38:09 Let's see. I want to take MT-1 for the first time in summer. How often do you pin it and how much? I personally do because I'm starting back my MT1. I would start with 250 micrograms. That's a pretty low dose. This is also dependent on the amount of melanin you have in your skin. Darker skinned people need less. More pale people or lighter skin people usually need a little bit more depending on your sun exposure.

38:43 I like to start with 250 micrograms. If it's your first time, just do it once a week. You can go up to two to three times per week, and then as you go from there, you can scale up the dose. Then for instance, like if I'm in the beach in summer, I would do one milligram per day. But that would build up. It will make you nauseous. And then more often, more frequently you use it, the less that nausea goes away. Its definitely more prominent in beginning when you first start injecting, then I'd say three time a Also, it's really beneficial to use it the days that

39:15 you are going to go out and get sun exposure. Yeah. Because it will darken your skin up. And I would, I mean, have no problem with people taking Melanotan-2. I personally would start with Melantan 1 if you've never done it before. It's much more mild. You can ease yourself into it. Then if say, hey, if I want to get darker, potentially, you go to Melatant-1. But I think most Caucasian people get pretty good with melanatan one. They can get kind of where you want go.

39:47 Sheena says, question, if you are on a GLP for health, wouldn't you want to stay on it year round? Yes, I would. I like the idea of blasting and cruising GLPs, meaning I will take up the dose depending on the goal that I have. And maybe I want go through a fat loss goal. sit at that dose for a while, get to where I want to go, come back down and stay on a low dose. So maybe that looks like for you, one milligram is your cruising dose, maybe five milligrams is you blast dose and then you scale up,

40:18 up and out of that does. And then maybe you just take a cumulative of six to eight weeks off the year. That doesn't have to be all at once. You can break that up one or two weeks, off here or there. I think from there, you get all the benefits without the downsides. Do I agree with Alex that our brains need a break? I've had such great health benefits besides the weight loss. I maintain my weight by staying on it as well. Um, I think it's relative to the person and so dosing them out. Yeah. The dosage amount.

40:48 And when we were talking about this and this gets taken out of context, when you have stuff clipped up onto social media and people love to debate it. Which I appreciate because I, appreciate healthy debate. What people didn't hear probably from like the short sound bite is that we were talking about the doses. And so if you have someone that's on 12 milligrams, wake up. If you someone else on Taylor's yawning. I'm awake. Taylor is yawing. They will probably, their brain isn't gonna atrophy.

41:21 What Alex was saying is that they will become very desensitized because they're doing a high dose for so long. And when you become desentitize, it's kind of relying on that to get where you wanna go instead of cycling it through. I think it is very important to cycle peptides. But with GLPs, we see that there's like benefits that we really wanna get pretty much throughout the year, but that means we can scale the dosing. And so Alex isn't wrong, but we were saying is that the high dose could potentially be not damaging long-term, because I think if you'd like,

41:57 what's more damaging, someone to be on 12 milligrams of RETTA or 20 plus pounds overweight? Definitely 20-plus pounds over weight. You are much more severe risk. But does that mean you want to get 12-milligrams of red up all the time? No, that's where you wanna scale the dose. And to the point of the brain, What Alex was saying is that we need to, and I don't wanna speak for him, but we were having this conversation We need to be conscious of what we are doing and are we completely relying on that? We are not taking it to lifestyle, diet, all those things.

42:29 in the conversation and we're just saying, Oh, I can take my red, uh, say whatever I want. I'm still going to be a ton. Yeah. And to that point, if you don't use your brain, just like if, you know, use body, If you engage your, brain inhabit forming behavior and making the right choices and you're strictly reliant on a GLP. Well, to think to, that, point it's kind of like saying that I was just going, take an exercise, the medic, like not see it, not exercise. Of course you wouldn't do that. It's the same thing.

43:01 Michael says, briefly mentioned on the episode with Alex, Tessa and said something about it being better to use GH. Wonder if you can share your thoughts on this topic. HGH will always be better in my opinion than Tessameralen. Now, does that mean we cannot use TESSAMERALEN or IPRAMELAN or MK77? Of course we can use. I think those are great things to us, but I've used them all And to me at the right dose, I think it's very similar to, obviously there's nuances with this. I mean, it was very, so much of the conversation about in clomophene versus TRT.

43:35 Yeah. The epimerelins and testimerelin are your in-clomophenes and your ACGs equivalent of a growth hormone pathway, meaning they stimulate natural production, which is obviously much better than nothing. But is that the long-term solution for the next 30 years of your life, 50 years, of life? Yeah, or is HGH going to be at It's interesting because I was talking- Or it's like liraglutide versus like using like triseptide, rotatrutide. Yeah, even more so though, because if you look at mechanistically, the peptides, so much like in clomophene or HCG, those are stimulating your natural

44:10 testosterone production. TRT is replacing your production, and HGH is like the actual hormone. So we're just giving the hormone rather than relying on this feedback with the body of take the peptide, it goes to the brain, stimulates pituitary, and then that raises growth hormone. Instead of just saying, boom, here's the growth hormones, do what thou wilt with that body. And instead of relying on that whole feedback loop, I think as we get older, the same way if a 75-year-old guy took in Clomophene, he's probably not going to respond to it the way that a 25- year- old guy would.

44:40 A 25 year old guys going get more benefit because his whole entire body is more primed to be able to create that cascade than a 75 year old guy, or 75-year-old guy is obviously going to do better on TRT. I think it's very similar of a conversation, although nuanced, around growth hormone versus peptides. Both are good, but eventually everyone will likely come to the realization that growth is probably where I'm going And then the question is, can we use those peptides cyclically or as an adjunct to the growth hormone?

45:11 Which I do. I love using MK777 as a alternate, like maybe you do growth on the week and then MK or Tessa on weekends, or you can do a cycle, one week you a GH, the next week, you could do peptide. We play with that eight weeks GH eight week peptidine. And so I think that can be very effective too, especially as stimulating to a terry and just keeping that feedback loop. But yeah, I think it will always come down to the HGH is the best way. And hopefully, it seems like interesting now that the medical world is actually moving that way too.

45:43 There's so much data around HHH. I was talking with a friend last night. Via text, we were talking about heart, you know, the heart growth on HGH. And I love having these conversations. I was like, well, here's two studies that actually say HTH at the right dose improves cardiac function. Not only is it not causing the growth at right does, there's actually a study that shows that heart in humans of HCH did not occur until chronic administration of 14 IUs per day for an extended period of time.

46:13 But if you're not doing 14 IUs, meaning that at two to four Ius, you are not getting cardiac growth. You're just getting a cascade of benefits. Yeah. I don't see why peptides can't be regulated by a 21 being the age limit and seldom in GNC type health stores. Honestly, here's the issue too. If peptide were not delivered via an injection, Chemically, they're not different than what you see in GNC.

46:45 There's more risky stuff that people are selling in GSEs, meaning that you can go buy a pre-workout and take too many scoops of it. Dude, Taylor is making the craziest face right now. Do you need to go to the bathroom or something? No. Taylor has checked out today, guys. It's just going to be me. No, I was just thinking about taking like too much, like, free workout and the beta alanine, like giving you like the tangles and itches.

47:16 Like I couldn't lose her. I will like, that's what I was thinking about. Do you need to say this stuff? Because she'll look at me and I know that she's thinking something completely different than what i'm saying. Completely different. And I'm like what is, you know, when you're like telepathically saying like I am sitting here talking, what are you thinking? It's good. It is good pattern interrupt because I, if i am in a good mood, I Talk on inhibited for four hours. You've seen the meme of this talk.

47:48 Yeah. Like, Oh, what do you think about this? And I'll just answer my own question. Kind of like what I start like talking about, like, painting or something with the house. Like, it's like Charlie, the Charlie Brown teacher. Yeah. It's, like, do you watch, did you want my video? No, I didn't watch your video. Cause I watched your videos more than you watched my videos, but mine are more entertaining.

48:25 According to me, not to my recent viewers. Well, I'm saying like, it's different strokes for different folks. It's like I couldn't watch reality TV. Like that would be torture to. Yeah. I would rather listen to the dictionary and watch realities. Don't know what we were talking about. You're just like. We were just talking something the other day. And you're like... I think I was talking to you about something about with hair color. I have no idea what you're saying right now.

48:56 Yeah, it was like Chinese. She was talking about like hair product and everything. I try though, meaning I make an attempt to actively listen. Whether I can or not, sometimes it's relative to the subject matter. You do a better job than I do. It's also funny too. When you create content, especially if you and your wife create. Taylor sees me every day, the whole day.

49:26 And so like, she's never going to watch my stuff because she would be like. It would like listening to your partner. Okay. Also too, because Hunter's office is upstairs, mine's downstairs. I hear everything. Like I, hear you when you're recording. Yeah. Even with the door closed or it's like, I hear phone calls sometimes even with a door close. Like, so like I, hear it while you're making. So that's why I don't have to go back and watch the video. Cause I heard you making it.

49:56 I can watch this video though, because a lot of the stuff we've already talked about ad infinitum. And I'm just putting it in a. But to the point about stuff being at GNC, I think it's just because of the nature of it being an injection. It's like in the United States, we have this thing where if it was an ejection all of a sudden now, it is bad. But you can buy insulin from Walmart without a prescription. You do have to get it from behind the counter. If you could get insulin without prescription in most states from Wal-Mart. Can we North Carolina?

50:26 Yes. I go right down the road right now. Drive 10 minutes to go to Walmart. Walk in and get my insulin to take pre and post workout. Well, how come we have never tried that? I mean, we don't need it. We still have insulin in the fridge now because we just don' t use it that much. But which can be that's a whole different conversation we talked about with Alex on the show. There's nothing wrong with insulin. Like there's if you use properly, I'm not going to like go into an insulin master class. But why insulin is an injection and actually can be a pretty dangerous injection, but in most states you can get that behind.

51:01 Yeah. It's more dangerous than peptides. I can go buy a Novalin or a pen at Walmart right now for like 60 bucks and just tell them, yeah, I'm diabetic. Oh, there was a show, the show that's based in West Palm beach that was watching. They like poison one of the ladies on there by like putting insulin in her martini. Well, if you look at, you know, a very interesting, this is a little bit morbid, but very, interesting stat is what doctors use to commit suicide. Because if we think of a doctor, they understand mostly hopefully chemistry to like, what would be the easiest thing to do?

51:37 There's actually, I think it's like 5% use insulin because they just take it and fall asleep and then you do too much. Obviously that's a lot higher dose than like you would just do if you're intelligently using it. Meaning that like in most cases, you could get yourself in trouble, but the LD 50 of insulin. But to that point, if can get insulin from Walmart, why can I not get TB 500? from Walmart. Wouldn't the world be a better place if I could walk into Walmart?

52:07 Maybe they even have like a registry of something, you know, of like, hey, this person bought this or whatever, but I don't know. Maybe in our lifetime. But it would just be kind of cool as like if you could go into Wal-Mart, spend a few hundred bucks and just walk out with a couple months of peptides for everything you need. I really don' t go to Walmart, maybe Target. Is Target have pharmacies? I think Target has pharmaces. You know what's crazy about like a pharmacist? You think like all the schooling you go to and then the nature of the job, nothing against pharmacists, but that would suck to have to be,

52:42 I feel like you're a very well-qualified person for your education. Oh, pharmacies are some of like the most like highly educated, like intelligent people I've had conversations with in the health and wellness space. Like I would trust a pharmacy to treat me than majority of doctors. Well, what I'm saying is it's weird because like you go to school, you have like a very, very strong education background. And then the nature of what you do is like, I feel like we should have more of a.

53:19 I know that's a little convenience thing, like pharmacies should be, it should feel almost like almost a wellness clinic. when you get there, meaning the experience. I mean, there's just not that many like private owned pharmacies anymore. It used to be that way. Like, yeah, like in downtown, in five points, they have the Hayes Martin Grill and Pharmacy. That was just a pharmacy. So like my original salon, the first, main salon that I worked at all my career, it was originally our pharmacy back in like the 1800s. By 1900s?

53:50 No, that was 1800. There's paperwork. Anyway, it would be cool if it was more like that instead of the Amazonification of it. But anyway, Oh, this is interesting. Tina says I've struggled with, believe me, my entire adult life. Five red has completely removed the food noise. Interesting. That's awesome. It's been helpful for you.

54:20 Yeah. Robert says it could make you hungrier. Oh Katie, Katie knows what show I'm talking about. Oh. Yeah. Say what you will. I always think reality TV people are not as smart. And then I realized. Are they though? I mean, they're not going to pass any IQ tests soon. Seemingly. But then when you look at the nature of marketing, pretty smart, all those husbands on that reality show I'm talking about, there are all stayed home parents.

54:55 Be the state home parent. Lisa says, how long? I'm not taking the bait. Taylor wants to get me in a societal critique conversation. That's the other show that YouTube channel will probably get defeated faster than my other ones. How long of a break is needed on Reda if taking 0.5 milligrams to one I think it's kind of like I was saying, is probably throughout the year, I would say like eight to 12 weeks throughout, the non-consecutive, meaning that you break it up into like one to two weeks here or there.

55:30 I don't think if you're doing that low of a dose, one, you are going to stay pretty sensitive to it for the long-term, much more than you would be if your doing a higher dose. But I do think eight, to twelve weeks cumulatively throughout 56, doctor just advised me to stop HRT because bleeding after UTI started HRTA about three months ago. Are there any peptides I can use in the meantime? TRT did nothing by the way. Uh, pump 0.5 milligrams a day too low. Well, well, three month's like, it wasn't, doesn't sound like that was long enough time to stay on it in my opinion.

56:04 It was also probably a cream and was the cream, Sorry. Was the cream just testosterone cream? Or was it, cause they do put test and estradiol in creams now. Is the bleeding after the UTI, is that like spotting or is it just the result of the. There's a lot of.

56:38 This is why I prefer injectable testosterone for HRT. And I'm not saying it's for everyone. I do think though, that you can scale the dose. A lot of women it is not enough for. If it was actually compounded at 0.5 milligrams a day, then that's really low. Because most are going to be 5 milligrams per day for women, because you're going absorb about 10% of it. So if it were 0,5 milligram a, day that makes sense to me that nothing happened.

57:08 I don't feel like there's any relation with the UTI hormone replacement therapy. It could be a coincidental. I think it's not, it may be, or it might not be. But at the end of the day, I still think that was probably way too low of a dose to even have anything beneficial happen. Here's a very good statement that I would have to agree with. ATX 304 is more effective than SLU. SLUU activates a little quicker and lasts a lot longer, but ATx definitely allows me to push myself harder without fatigue.

57:38 I agree. Yeah. Also too, I think the ATX studied in humans was at 1000 milligrams a day. Most of the dosing you're going to see from people is 100 milligram capsules. And so I noticed outsize benefits at like five to 700 milligrams per day, that's where it really starts to hit. But again, it's like a quarter of a bottle in one serving. So here's my opinion with everybody like with doing the high dose loop, everybody got it wrong and they should have been manufacturing higher dose AT.

58:09 Yeah, probably like 250 or 500 milligrams. Yes. Versus making high dose lute. Bless you. The pollen is in full force. Yeah. But yeah, I would have to agree with that. I think ATX is a better molecule and I don't think you get the drawbacks of the buildup of ROS from ATx that you do from sloop that potentially long-term. That's why you just have the cycle sloop.

58:41 What's GHKCU topical brand are you guys using? Unfortunately, Johnny, we cannot talk about sources. I've been trying to keep my YouTube channel and a new one and Taylor's up. So I will be sending an email. And I'm sending another email about it on probably Monday because I talked about in my latest YouTube video. Um, so I'll send that email out. Yeah. If I've learned anything, it's do not talk about sourcing in the public. And as much as it is, I'm willing to hear, say the email list is the place that we can do whatever we want, at least right now.

59:20 Jacqueline says I tried so many things for chronic constipation. Would VIP help with this or another peptide? Yeah. VIP definitely will help. I wouldn't take it at the same time, but oxytocin could also be very beneficial. SS 31 could be beneficial. SS-31 could very beneficial magnesium citrate. Yeah. Magnesium citrates. Very beneficial, some fiber, psyllium husk. Those are good too. This is also the same person that was taking RETTA and lost 30 pounds.

59:52 Oh, that's right. So obviously too, the gastric emptying gets low, but I would say VIP is just good in general to take. And then it will help with constipation, but oxytocin too. What did we learn from first two pods with Sarah and Alex regarding peptides? I would say Sarah was more, I think some of the basics around peptide use just as kind of like a chemical reminder there.

1:00:26 And I thinks Sarah is really good at understanding the nature of the autoimmune world and how peptides apply to that world, much more than I do. So that was very cool to learn from her about like some of benefits from MCAS and things like that. And I think Alex was more of like what's on the frontier of what coming. Yeah. I haven't tried the new things that we were talking about on that podcast, but hopefully those become more available and easier to access.

1:00:57 But I what the latest and greatest is. Can one stack sloop and SS31? I think this is actually probably very, very smart to do. Because like we were talking about with the buildup of oxidative stress that comes from the sloop, the SS 31 helps offset that. And so I would think it would be one of those things if you're using s loop during the weekdays and ss 31 on the weekends, or even sleep in the morning and then s s 31 at night.

1:01:30 Here we go. Another case study. I finally swapped off cream to daily sub-q enanthate, 20 milligram injections and wow, so much better people demonize subq, but it's great for small daily dosing. Yeah. It's just when you see it, and again, I'm not going to die on a hill for either one, when when see at time and time again where people go from cream, to injections, whether it is a man or a woman, guessing it a women because sub q 20 milligrams would be a Excuse me, I'm guessing it's a man because 20 milligrams of the man's dose.

1:02:00 However, a woman can do the same thing at like one milligrams or two milligrams daily injections or 2 milligram every other day injections, whatever she wanted to do. I just think you get much more saturation from the injections that creates the therapeutic Honestly too, what no one talks about is probably the best thing is a combo of injections and cream. I mean that you do an injection two or three times a week and a cream every day. Yeah. And then you just like work out the dose to like whichever one, you know, maybe it's a lower injection amount weekly because you're adding the cream,

1:02:31 but I do think it just the injection, especially For the conversion too of estradiol. Yeah, I think you get more of a saturation of the testosterone that then converts to estridiol better. Again, due to the therapeutic benefits of estradiola. And so I was on cream. I went back and forth for years and I'm like, oh, like injections. Oh, go back to cream and just could never get to where I want to with cream, but that's my opinion. Some people do great with that.

1:03:01 Test isocaparate. I don't like it, but that's what's out in the wild right now because there's a shortage. So I would try to get an anthate or sip if you could, it's better than nothing, I'm not a fan. Yeah, has to be compounded. UGL has too many preservatives and cause bigger lumps and histamines. It depends on where you get it from, generally speaking, that would be true. Let me answer that one about the RETTA break.

1:03:32 I haven't heard of this nasal iodine effective for the variant going around. Need to make sure I don't get immune compromised. Family members who currently use iodide nasal spray in public and take TA1 as well. I dunno. Yeah. Don't know about nasal Iodine. Uh, I've gone back and forth of taking, uh, nascent iodines for years. And I have kind of been off of that because I just want to see if there was any difference.

1:04:04 thyroid health, how deficient you are and whatnot. But yeah, I would just say, TA1 is great. Thymalin could be another great one. ThymaGen could another be great to help with immune function. Glutathione as well. People discount glutathion, but glutothione is one of the best things to prophylactically help. Taylor, your face is glowing. It is. What's up, Zach?

1:04:34 My free T is around two, but very total is very low around seven, which is more than free of total. Well, free is. More important, relatively speaking. But again, this comes down to a unit of measurement because if your total of seven. There's no way your free, is actually two on the scale we're talking about. Most likely it's 0.2. And so I would need to see the reference range, Tina, for that. The most likely, if you're total was seven your three is two. On that range. But really if it's the range we're talking about to like where three to five would be therapeutic, the two is probably a 0.2 and not an actual two.

1:05:08 So if you could tell me the reference range, because, okay, so free testosterone is typically measured in picograms per milliliter. Some tests measure nanogram per decilitor, but sometimes it is picgram per milileter but it a direct measurement of like an HPLC MS test. versus, or an LC-MS test, excuse me, I'm thinking peptides, liquid chromatography mass spectrometry test which is more accurate. Then you have an assay test or immunoassay tests which are more of a transient measurement that is accurate, that then gets measured at a different amount

1:05:41 and so the reference range is different. So you're not talking apples to apples. And so for like instance, a man, they'll see a free testosterone range of like 35 to 170 for free testosterone. And they're like, oh, my free testosterone was 80. That's high. Oh my goodness. And it's peak grams per milliliter. Then you realize that that's actually, when we're talking about therapeutic for a man, it is really eight, because there's one decimal place over. So it differs there. I know it was confusing, but.

1:06:11 It is. Yeah. High free T peak gram per milileter is a measurement. The reference range is 0 to 4.2. Which that was Katie, which is different. Yeah, Susan does combo of turgenreta and microdoses. I think it works great. Makes good clickbait. I think that's the other thing too, for people that don't want to cycle off GLPs or for Gleprin is a small molecule, meaning that it's not actually a peptide,

1:06:46 but it is small-molecule GLP-1 agonist. And so if you wanted to just take, if he wanted, to get the appetite suppression and then some of the benefits, because they're still pretty good fat loss benefits in the beta from GLEPRIN, you just, take eight to 12 weeks off that, use some more Glyphron, then go back on and you're going to be re-sensitized to the red X completely different compound. Yeah. Okay, Michael, I would rely on my wife for this one. Can you ease my life's mind and let her know she can do her test, read it and PPC in the same.

1:07:20 As long as it's not in the same syringe and just rotating the injection site areas too. Like maybe that might be a little bit more helpful for her to like realize like, let's just say like okay, even just change up and like let her do the RETTA like sub cue like into her belly fat. And let us just like most women's hips are always sore. Most cases, not always, but a lot of women have tighter hips.

1:07:50 So just have her inject her BPC TB like into the hip area. Like that way it may be like psychologically changes it up and it's going into a different area, But not really. Um, just tell her that it is okay. Or if it, if does really bother her, Just have do the B.P.C.T.B. at night. You don't have to take them all at the same time. And also remember like testosterone is going to be IM versus everything else is gonna be sub-Q.

1:08:22 In most cases, if she's doing her testosterone IM, I'm just assuming. I prefer shallow IM for testosterone. Meaning I just use a 28 gauge and I do it into the muscle, but I might use like a 25 gauge into muscle. Jacinda says I'm taking testosterone three milligrams every two days. I also use an estrogen patch 0.25 milligrams. My hormonal acne is killing me. And I am 29 years old. Doctors prescribe progesterone. He said I should take that 12 days a month.

1:08:52 Okay. So, um, I don't know fully your case and your hormone levels. Um, I generally, I personally would stop taking the estrogen patch. Um, just seems like the delivery variability across the patch is kind of wonky.

1:09:22 Also that age, again, not knowing, well, we're not, knowing what your case study is, like, That age, most women don't need estrogen at that age because your testosterone will convert enough into estradiol. Um, and really, um, the progesterone should have been, in my opinion, should've been given to you when you started taking your. So, so, this is just like where this coming from also from world link medical team schooling, how they taught that in our course and You should not do

1:10:04 estradiol until you've been on therapeutic testosterone for at least 90 days, and then go back and reevaluate that. You can start testosterone and progesterone, but you never want to start testosterone without pro testosterone. especially at that age. Again, I don't know what your full medical background is, so there could be something going on, because there are some cases where some women at the age do need the extra estrogen, but I think the acne is probably sending more from that progesterone patch.

1:10:39 It also could be the E to P estrogen to progesterone ratio to which I would, I think it's actually malpractice to, which would sue a doctor if he gave a woman estrogen without progeterones. Yeah. I agree. That is like 101. You would never do that. No. And this is what's happened in this case. This is, this happens so much. Yes. To the point of progessorone, yes, you can start taking that, the latter half of the cycle. 14 through 28. Definitely can. But to the estradiol patch, I would, like Taylor said, wouldn't think you would need it at that age.

1:11:13 Right now Taylor is, and we've been open with our fertility journey, Taylor's taking testosterone. Uh, four milligrams, three times a week, 12 milligrams of milligrams a total. And I'm still taking 200 milligrams and she's actually doing it every day. Yes. She has been ovulating based on the test, which is like what we have to go off. It's like reasonably easy to measure fertility, every single cycle, right on. Right now, the issue is me because I was not using HDD and HMG for years because that wasn't like in my purview when I started testosterone.

1:11:47 And so I've been working on that to get it back up. So we'll see where it goes. But if anything, right now I would be more of the roadblock to us getting pregnant, which obviously we're working, but I'd say to the point of a 29 year old woman, I don't think I would not introduce an estradiol patch with the testosterone. Like you said, I will at least give it a chance. Now, there's obviously some cases where a 29-year-old woman might need to layer in estridiol after that. But the first thing I'd do is the oral estrdiol Valorate. Yeah, especially at that age, like, I'm not what patch fan, the only times this is also talking to our friends who are in the hormone replacement therapy world,

1:12:23 The only time they even would recommend doing a patch is if it is a postmenopausal woman who has been post menopause for several years, we're talking women in like they're like late mid sixties, sometimes the patch is a better way to introduce that more so. And it's like, honestly, it a lower risk license wise of clotting. That's also why they do it. But like I would, I never give a woman at that age a patch.

1:12:56 No. I know for a fact that like two of the doctors that we know would never Well, they would have been harassed at all. That's why RXL is going to be such a game changer for people. Cause when you have issues like this, you say goodbye to your doctor and then you go to RX L and you find a new doctor. And I think also too, when it comes to doctors, I with hormone replacement therapy is really important when you go in. And this is something that I know we're going to discuss more in our group is like really making sure before you into the appointment with your doctor,

1:13:30 you need to come in with hand in notes, do your research. Okay. You listen to me and Hunter, You go to your hormone, replacement, therapy doctor. It's like, well, I want injections because I w I listened to these health gurus on the internet and they tell me injectable testosterone is better than or then testosterone cream, or they tell me injectable estrogen is better versus like a patch or oral is a better, versus a batch or like, no, I can actually have, you know, 400 milligrams of progesterone.

1:14:02 So when you go into your doctor, like you need to come in, go in with notes, on your phone, hard evidence. No, i want injectal testosterone as a woman because of the DHT spike that happens with cream is going to be harsher side effects. It's going to be not as consistent like go in with your cases on why you want it Because then you kind of like because if you come in kind like it's the same thing with hair like if You come and like you're not gonna go to your hairdresser and show her a picture of a redhead and be like This is what I want

1:14:35 my hair to look like and then they're like, well, what if we add some highlights? And you sit there go. We'll just do what you Want? Whatever you you know what's best And then in your mind, you leave and you don't have the outcome that you want because you didn't properly communicate with the doctor. So that's what I'm saying is that there's a lot of work that have to do, especially with hormone replacement, because one, doctors make more money off of prescribing certain things. They are always going to push more, so not all cases.

1:15:05 Most of the time, they're going push. If you were in limbo, like, I don' know. I want to, do I hurt injections better, but I dunno if I wanna inject every day. immediately they're going to push you, gravitating you towards the cream because they are going financially benefit from that as well. Don't say that. You're revealing all the secrets. I'm just kidding. Okay, now you're getting me scared I'll get like canceled. All I am saying is like come in prepared when you are getting into your doctor's office. They're gonna make more money from a patch than a pill all day every day.

1:15:39 In there, if it's a HRT clinic. And I think also too, here's the thing guys, is that there are a lot of steps and I get it. Injecting yourself as a pain, taking capsules every day is a, pain. You know, it is. Patches a patch would be a painful. Will you stick it on? And it was like, what is what the passion's like good for like four, how many days is like go for, like. I guess in my case, that wouldn't be good because it would. Yeah. But I just think like Sorry.

1:16:09 Sounds like you need to make a PDF to give away to people with what to go in armed with their doctor. It's also too, I say this because there's a lot of doctors that I love and I know are good. It kind of like people, for whatever reason, we know, like if you go to an attorney, you know that you're going to go the attorney and have five, if he got a five attorneys, he'll get five different answers about what the right thing is. You go an accountant, and you'll five answers what's the thing to do. But for what ever reason with our doctor, because of the nature of insurance and oh, this is my doctor or whatever, It's like,

1:16:42 oh, well that's what the doctor said. So that what I got to do. It was like no, that doctor has an opinion about what you should do, you are in charge of your health. And I say that because there's a lot of doctors I love that I know are really good, but there are also like doctors are just people. Even if ones are not bad, they're just going to have a different opinion on how to things. Yeah. I will say to Taylor's point, the way to not get what you want from your doctor is probably go in and tell them that Taylor or I or some influence you heard said, because they're just going to roll their eyes and think that influencer didn't go to medical school, which I didn' never claim to go medical schools,

1:17:12 never claimed to be a doctor. Hey, I get that same reaction from doctors in person. Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, if you went to school and you don't want to some, some person that's coming, just appears to be some that just yaps their mouth on the internet to tell you. I think I learned everything from chat, GPT. I think a lot of people could benefit from chat GPT. Not that it's always right, but I'm just saying that's better than not doing anything other than just repeating what you've been told,

1:17:43 not listening to feedback from people, you know, and actually like going to learn stuff. I am not saying it is always what AI says is right. Be open-minded if you were a practitioner and really good doctors will tell you like the really get one say I don't listen to my patient tell me What they're experiencing and what they want and yeah, if they were telling me like I need you know Something that's bad for them. I'm not gonna do that But if there's like a difference of opinion of like delivery mechanism of the same thing, why would you not listen? Yeah, but just saying like that So I'd be better to have like A document that we could make that people could take in and back.

1:18:17 Well, I made a document for somebody, you Yeah, anyway. Sorry. That was my rant. I think it was good. My son, I've been giving him the Ipameralen HGH and his acne is so bad, but he wears the catcher's mask. Oh, this is Christy. Yeah. Christi, have you tried the topical ivermectin for him? I'd be interested to see how that does. Especially given the nature. I mean, if anybody had acne as a teenager, I was like candidate number one from wearing a football helmet.

1:18:51 They used to take these Clorox wipes to the locker room and like try to wipe my football, helmet before and after. And I don't think it did anything. Why? No, it didn't do anything I'll try the topical ivermectin. Yeah. But obviously too, the sweat is not going to be helping. Especially the catcher's mask. Yeah. Quit right away because the glue gun made me hungry. Went back to SEMA because I'm at a weight profile where my body naturally protects the projects, protects, the benefits and signals that you have to.

1:19:24 Yeah, there is nothing wrong with that whatsoever. I think a lot of people pooping at us like, Oh, you got to have read it. No, like some people do better. Like I still have people that love semi-glue tied. What's up, Kelly. She said the cardiologist we interviewed, we were talking about growth hormone. He was speaking of it and we didn't really go into this just because we're limited on time. I only was able to talk to him for like an hour. Um, he was really referencing more of like the use of growth hormones. Oh, she said you did. Okay. Yeah.

1:19:54 Sorry. More of the abuse of Growth Hormone than like appropriate. Interestingly enough, a lot of people will get higher IGF, which we use as a proxy from Tessa Morellen than they will to I use it. And we don't see any issues with HGH. Obviously it's less studied, but you know, nonetheless. And so, yes, we were referencing the, the abuse of growth hormones, which we would, uh, We could all agree that abuse.

1:20:28 Want to start my wife on Tessa and Ippo. What is a good dose for her? It's not a blend. Also hang on. Yep. This one. Yeah, that one it's. Not from the testosterone. Sorry. For, I mean, it was for the per the, the person that was on the 29 year old. Oh, your bad acne could be your testosterone does being too high for a female. I. There's also like, there's. Okay. Again, how long have you been on it? Like again, you got to get nine days. It can take up to like six months for hormonal changes to come out in the hair, come down on this skin.

1:21:02 That's like when people say I started tech injecting testosterone four weeks later, my hair's falling out. And it's not the testosterone. when it comes to the hair and the skin, it takes up to like, up too, like minimum, not like three months, Up to six months for stress to come out in the air and in what about, what About this though, if you have someone that's had zero testosterone, women are very androgen sensitive. And so a slight change, a slightly change is going to make a difference.

1:21:32 Zero to one is a lot more than nine to 10. Yeah. And so again, you have to give it time for it to regulate. It doesn't matter if you go out right now and you eat Bojangles, eat a bunch of fried chicken and, and French fries and drink some sweet tea along with it and eat some banana pudding afterwards. Like you're going to get acne from all that food. Acne would be the least of my worries after that. Yeah, but it's gonna come out. I feel like it is always blamed on like, testosterone?

1:22:07 Well, it's a valid. It's about point, but you've got to give your body time to adjust. Yes. And I would also say there's conflicting variables too, with estradiol and progesterone, and it is not just testosterone. No. Then it also testosterone conversion. How much is it converting to DHC? How lean is the person? Yeah. They're leaner, they're going to aromatize less. So it a very nuanced thing around testosterone, Interestingly for you, like, let's like also like.

1:22:40 Acne sucks. Guess what? I get some facial hair. Like I got like three dark hairs on my chin. I've got that prior to using testosterone therapy. That's a pain. Yes. Is it enough? i had really bad acne at one point. You guys all saw those YouTube videos. How do you feel mentally though? Like that is a more important question. like I would rather have to deal with that than feeling like my brain is going like this. Cause I hormonally can't think. And I just feel like i'm in a fog. Yeah, I feel bad when I see people's blood work.

1:23:11 That's like, they have no hormones. I'm not a woman, but I know what I felt like when they were hormones, you literally feel like your brain is in a vice. And then you don't realize that till you get it fixed and you're like oh my goodness. Like I was literally went through life where it was like I like everything was just the walls are like rumbling around me and get your hormones fixed. A lot of that goes away. But yeah, because I am awake now. You are awake. You just needed someone to stoke the fire. Yeah.

1:23:44 And it's also a woman's getting prescribed hormones in a way that I don't agree with it. That will get me fired up. Well, the thing is too, there's so many ways to approach it. And we would have like methodologies that we've seen work with people, but that doesn't mean that it's always going to work for everyone. But I think if you say there are parameters with gin, 80 to 90% of people respond best. I feel comfortable saying that. There are still some women that do respond better to cream.

1:24:17 Every individual is going be different, Yeah. It's interesting. Someone that can't take progesterone every day. I love taking pro gesterones every. If I don't it every, I'm a complete bitch to deal with. Let the record state that Taylor said when she doesn't her pro-gesteron. She is. I didn't say it, but yeah, I think it's just, we get fired up because if you knew how to help someone and they wanted help and then you told them how fix

1:25:01 their problem or like with reasonable certainty, like how they could fix the problem. And then they tell you that it is wrong or that doesn't work. In a way, it's like, OK, well, maybe like what I told them wasn't right, or maybe they're not doing it right. And so I think sometimes it like well if this could be improved, It would probably be better. But anyway, so. Those are my house. I want to start my wife on test. Did we answer this? No, cause we went back to that. When I start, my life on testing, it was a good dose for her.

1:25:31 It's not a blend. For a woman, if you're going to do the blend of those, probably start low. If she's never done them, I do 300 micrograms of Tessa to 100 micro grams of IPA. And I would do that once per day. Then you can kind of scale up from there. You would probably want the total exposure to be under one, one milligram. So you could go to like 600 micro-gram of test and. What would that be? 200 micrograms of IPA per day. It would be like the top end, but I would start with 300 to 100 TESSA to IPPA and go from there.

1:26:07 Echo36. I love saying Echo, which I know Echo 36 is in our group. Um, I feel like I'm like, it's like a code name, like Echo three six over over. He says, can you talk about the mechanics between pituitary GH release, strength, duration, timing, how thyroid health can interact with GH secretogog use over time? It's actually a very good question to which, probably don't talk enough to, whether it is HGH secretagogs or it HGH itself. Here's what happens. HGH-optimized GH levels, which lead to optimized IGF-1 levels which leads to lots of benefit to the body.

1:26:42 What you start to see over time is an improvement in the conversion of T4 to T3. And when we look at the benefit of, if we could have one indicator of thyroid health, even though there's multiple, it would be our free T-3 and what happens is the bodies makes T 4 and a lot of that gets converted into T 3 which then gets used to get all the metabolic benefits thyroid health, one particular being clearance at LDL particles to improve cholesterol. But nonetheless, with optimized GH levels, we improve thyroid because we improved the conversion of T4 to T3.

1:27:16 And so when you see someone that has very low IGF-1 or low GH or lower hormones. A lot of times you'll see a higher T4 number and a lower T3 number. And what that means is the body is cranking. One, it cranks TSH and then it will also crank T-4 and it can't convert the T 4 into T 3. That's why giving someone T four doesn't really matter because it's not the form that is more usable, metabolically speaking, to get the benefits. And so one of the beautiful byproducts of using HGH or a GH peptide is that you get this improvement and conversion of T.3.

1:27:51 You also get regrowth of thymic gland, which is different than the thyroid, but it improves your immune system. But that improvement in conversion confers more metabolic benefits to which you will stay leaner, you have more energy, and you'll just ultimately be healthier. So that is a really good benefit and a very, very prescient point. Thank you, Echo36. I've been on 10 milligrams of Reda for a few weeks now, lost 70 pounds in 10 months. Congrats.

1:28:21 Need to lose 50 more, but want to avoid desensitization as Alex explained. What dose and what other GLP-1 do you recommend? Okay, here's an interesting, I'm not even saying like, if you need to loose 50 pounds, you don't necessarily need come down on the dose. You could throw in other peptides, you could make sure your hormones are optimized, make your thyroid is optimized. But I don't know that you need to change the dose now. You need get to where you want to be.

1:28:52 And I get the desensitization, but we're talking about, even if it's like a one to two year window, I personally The question I would ask myself is this, is it more dangerous to be 50 pounds overweight or to de-sensitized to the Reta? To me, the answer is to get the fat off the body in the best, healthiest manner. And sometimes that means being on a higher dose of RETA. And so if you were like 10 pounds within your goal, I'd say, Oh yeah, you'd like probably like, let's bring it down. Let's cruise for a little bit and go from there. But I don't know. That would be my opinion is because like if someone needs to lose 50 pounds, the 50 is more of a threat to their health than sensitization to which then

1:29:29 when you get to where you need to go, which it sounds like you have the really good momentum. work, then we reevaluate once we get to where we need to go. And then, we can start to bring it down, go off, and then go from there. But I don't know. That would be my probably unpopular opinion to the traditional dogma, which is cycle on, cycle off. I would say, I dunno. It's kind of like if your leg is broken, what's better to use BPC until it's healed or to cycle-off just because it has been eight weeks? I also would consider maybe also adding in LDN.

1:30:04 Oh, I would say that for everyone for everybody. Um, but definitely, especially in this case study for the amount of weight that's there's also probably like healing from a lot of inflammatory issues. That also will help to sensitization. Yeah. A lot of people too, when they lose weight, there's kind of this like residual backlog of inflammation and LDN helps with that. Glutathione will help a lot with. And so you got to, what's great is that someone's doing that, especially with RETTA, is peeling off liver fat, which is really,

1:30:34 really good. But also too I think there was this kind background inflammation that has been built up over time that needs to be helped clear. There's like glutathion, SOS 31 can come in and do really well. The Palm Beach ladies are off the charts. Is that the show you're watching? Yes. I love that she knew that. Let's see.

1:31:09 Just going through a good conversation this morning. Yeah, insulin could definitely be deadly if you take too much. But I was saying to the point, if that is available over the counter, why could we not have Yeah. Thank you for that. I agree with that Yeah, it's just, I, when it comes to doctors, like I would never, never claim that I'm a doctor. If there's one thing I know, and I am not saying this is a virtue signal.

1:31:43 Every day I get up and there's so much more that I don't know every day. The amount that, I know, vastly out see exceeds the amount, that you know. And my job is just learn as much as possible and then share back with people in order to help them. really to know more because it's just, if anything, I'm like, man, there's so much I don't know. There's too much to learn. So much too that like we depend on you guys for feedback to be able to inform us. Oh, that's the whole thing. You go back to the injectable testosterone conversation.

1:32:15 That was literally an experiment we did on our own with you and you responded better or like okay, maybe this will be better for other people though. At that point in time, women's hormones, It was like this whack-a-mole game of you'd like do one thing. No, just generally speaking with like the people that we coach. You should write a book on how to hack the crazy out of your wife. Are you not happier? I am happier. So it worked. It worked? No. But I think it was, uh, In my experience prior to that coaching with women, especially around the hormone piece, a lot of times I just want to kind of

1:32:58 like back off and be like, Hey, I don't really know women's hormones that well, because it was always like the cream is too high. The cream was too low. I can't get the right amount. Knowledge for women's hormones has expanded so much. And I feel like you have more compassion for woman now.

1:33:28 Yeah. It was like when we first started dating. You know, you weren't like better than you'd make comments sometimes. I mean, your mom would look at each other like, And that's probably why I always have like, I'll just wait. We'll probably have girls like go backfire on them, but maybe not because you've changed. I would be static to have a girl, But I'd say you have more karma, karmic debt to pay of having a son than I will have having. You asked my mom that question when she's this weekend, when they're here.

1:34:01 What do you mean? the karmic debt, like my whole life growing up, my mom's like, I just cannot wait till you have a daughter. Like as a teenager, it was terrible. I was a terrible teenager. Well, maybe that's just more of what I- Well not terrible, there's definitely worse because like I, was not like- What I'm saying is if- Not fun to deal with as teenager- A lot of guys have what, would call karnic that because they are disrespectful. So what do you think my karma debt is for having All the things of like a guy of stinky clothes and things like that, that a boy is naturally going to do,

1:34:38 because you grew up with all girls. The things that boys just do being boys is like, your karmic debt is coming due to have that. Whereas the thing that girls being girls, I would be ecstatic to have a girl, but I think the guys that have karmic debt with girls is because they were so dis, I thinking a lot of cases are so disrespectful towards women. That's what you always see like a womanizer. It's like, Oh, he's got three daughters.

1:35:08 Cause it's time to pay. Like you're disrespectful to women your whole life. And I will say I'm not a saint by any means. I've been, you were definitely more of a Saint out of the two of us. Well, respectful to women in my life. If anything, I was more of like, uh, what they would call in the red pill world, like an incel, you know, stands for involuntary celibate. It's like you're kind of, a nerd, off on your own, doing your thing more so than a womanizer. That makes sense.

1:35:39 So that's why I say like. You probably have a little bit more in that department. What I'm saying is I am not a guy that you would be like oh, that guy, he's going to have daughters because of what he did to I just think of, I think I was just thinking of like a daughter with like, which I'm intelligent too, but your level of intelligence, level intelligence. But then like my attitude in SAS is going to be a problem. Yeah. Because she will use back everything I say and I'll bet she kind of has a point. I can already see that happening.

1:36:09 Kind of got a pointed there. So like she'll probably like outlawed me way before I am comfortable with her outlogic. Okay. I don't know how we got on that. Let's see. Entertainment for you. Hopefully this is people are probably like shut up. Does LDN lessen the effect of peptides while on it? If so, does doing the peptide in the morning and LDM, I would actually say the opposite. Yeah. Meaning that LDX is an immune system modulator, meaning that it will enhance your receptivity and sensitivity to most peptids.

1:36:46 as you stay on a peptide, you will notice that you get less desensitized to it over time with LDN. That doesn't mean you won't, but you just stay more sensitive to peptides with LDN and whatnot. But I would say it doesn' really matter like on the timing of the day that yo take it. So like if you took your LD in the morning and you to your red in th morning, You're not going to be like more sensitve to that day to red. it's more of a cumulative thing over time. Whereas like, you wouldn't say like oh, don't take the LDN in the morning because it is going to make your response, like you're going get more nauseous

1:37:18 from your melanotin if you take it with your LD. It wouldn' be so much that, it would be more like cumulative effect of like over-time, how are you responding to the peptide? And how much does your body desensitize to it? But I don' think it matters. And some people, I'd say 80% of people do better with LD at night, 20% probably do it better in morning, is my experience. Teresa says, what's the best peptide for post-menopause? I'm not on HRT. My symptoms I don't feel are that bad, but I worry about health issues.

1:37:49 Then be HRRT is your answer of health. Let's just say symptom-wise, you feel fine, But you're worried about Health issues in the future. Biodentical hormone replacement therapy is going to be your foundation where you need to start. That is gonna give you the most protection for cognitive bone density, cardiovascular density brain as well too. So that is actually, even though you might not feel like you have symptoms, that's gonna be our foundation.

1:38:20 Where you start and then you can add in from there. Yeah, I would actually say, so to the point Teresa about health issues, if a woman does not have testosterone, estradiol, progesterone, to which most women, no matter how hard they work, it's going to be zero. Yeah. That is a health emergency to me because the cumulative effect of that over time, is gonna be so damaging just to your metabolic health and eventually

1:38:52 your brain health, and your vascular health. That is a health crisis. So if you do not have testosterone and progesterone and estradiol, you're in a healthy crisis, And that's why it's like, yeah, peptides are good. Sure, a post-menopausal woman, she's got a tired belly and takes red eyes, She's probably gonna lose some weight. Of course, it does not fix the root of the issue, which is that you need those hormones for your health And the thing with post menopause women, You might not realize you're having any negative side effects too. Well, that's what I was talking about earlier.

1:39:23 Is it like a lot of people normalize to whatever they're doing? Yeah. It's just like, nothing's wrong with me per se until they realize it. To which point I would say this, like let's say you go in and nothing feels wrong, but your HSCRP is really high, Like a 10. Nothing feels with. If that happened to me, I'd be like, shoot, something is wrong here. I got to go figure out what it is, even if I don't feel anything, because something's going on underneath the hood. Now, if it's like something that's benign, like meaning that like, say your HR to CRP was like 1.5, I feel fine.

1:40:01 Okay. Like, yeah, it's 1 .5. It's a little bit higher than a one, but you know, that's not bad. Versus like a 10, something is going on. Or like let's say you went in, got your blood work done, you feel and your white blood cell count is off the charts. That is indicative that something. Even if you don't feel it, something is wrong there that is going to come due. Like you're gonna pay the piper. And I would say that that, is the same thing for hormones. It might not be as immediate as like some of those things we just talked about. But it's still, to me, that's like a health emergency for someone when they don' have hormones, because hormones are your life.

1:40:33 You have to have your hormones to function. Especially a post-monopausal woman, you know, like a 72 year old guy can get away with low testosterone. You know he's not going to be as healthy, but like he can saunter through life. Whereas like, a woman is just going, she's going be in a default state of suffering. Kelly says, I was just out in NM with my son and his wife shooting a reality show for Discovery Channel. Wow. That sounds really cool, Kelly. Y'all just send that to me. And that comes out. 44 year old male to 20 milligrams of test for eight months now sub 10% body fat.

1:41:08 I've been getting some cystic acne once a month dish. Any thoughts? I mean, it could be anything. Like we were talking about earlier, like I'm not going to like jump and say like, Oh, that's the testosterone. You got to fix the Testosterone. It could, I was like, ester dials a factor two, are you using other things? You know, like is it, for me, got bad cystic acne. I realized from using genotropin and I've realized that I'm probably just allergic to one of the excipients in the genitropine and it was causing me acne

1:41:40 and other forms of growth hormone didn't do that. So I just stopped using it. And I have not really had an issue with acne since then. So maybe that, it may not be, but also too, again, like I've mentioned, the ivermectin horse pace, if you apply that topically, does seem to help a lot with that. My dad's been struggling with gout for a few years and nothing doctors prescribe help. Do you guys have any knowledge of what can be useful for flare ups or just control in general? I would always default.

1:42:10 I mean, this isn't like a, um, yeah, well like gowt is always like downstream from metabolic dysfunction and insulin resistance. Yeah. Yeah, you could say like uric acid or whatever, but I would also say that that's probably from is it over use of alcohol? Is it you know, like too much bad food as a combo of both? And so I think someone with a GLP and metformin and SGLT2 after three months of that, gout will go away. Yeah. Obviously the hormones are going to be important too, because that really starts. SS31 too. Yes, SS 31. Ss 31, Reta, SglT 2, met formin.

1:42:42 Within four months, I'd think you would pretty much solve any gouts. Assuming that they are trying any, that there trying to eat healthy. Yeah. You're going to be drinking six glasses of wine a night. Um, wine will definitely trigger gout more so than any of the other alcohols. Stress also not being inlined the body. Do one, two.

1:43:12 I've been playing around with testigen for a couple months, maybe taking it two times per week. I just had my labs ran for TRT in my total. The average is 1100, was 1500 just putting out there. Very helpful. And that makes sense because it's kind of, I think it is like working pretty similar to HCG maybe with a little bit more effect on the thyroid. So yeah, it, is good. For me, like I felt probably like a little bit of benefit, but I would say, you know, It wasn't anything that I noticed and didn't really do anything for

1:43:53 fertility purposes, but I did want to try that to see like, okay, what was it doing? And didn' really seem to do any thing for that. But I don't, that being said, I think testogen could probably be for like a guy in his twenties that doesn't want start TRT, it's too early. The guy that's 20, 21 can absolutely use testagen and probably get it. Testogen and l-carnitine could be like way to like help bridge the gap. for someone that is going to kind of get like do TRT one day, but maybe they don't want to do it right away. Will VIP help with Raynards or anything else?

1:44:31 I think it will. I with raynard you look at it as a blood flow issue. VIP could help BPC, TB 500, ARA 290 could Really, anything that's going to help with that. I would actually have, even if it's a woman, do a low-dose Cialis to with help that as well. What would I do if I couldn't get GH? I'd probably just use MK777. Yeah. Or Ipamerelin and Tessamerelin. And just cycle between those. Cycle those? Yeah What's up Issa, another member of the group.

1:45:06 She said change from pellets to IRM TRT and wow, did my life change. Also increased my progesterone for 200, 300 and my sleep improved so much. That's awesome. Proof is in the pudding. Yes. Thank you for sharing that Isa. I think it's just important for like people to see that there's not like, not just like pulling that out of my butt. Yeah. Especially with the progesterone. Cause like so many people don't realize that like progeterones is used, treated by symptom release. So like relief until you see those symptoms start relieving, increase the Progesteron.

1:45:36 You don' have to worry about looking at like a number scale where you're at blood work wise, like with Progeteron, um, unless you were like fertility, premenopausal, different case study, but. your post-menopausal, you're not worried about fertility, have at it. Yeah. Peptide for lost skin. Unfortunately, that's going to have to be cosmetic surgery.

1:46:09 Just because the extra skin is there. Wendy, I would not worry about being able to get HGH any more than I'd be worried Um, guys, FG, FLGR two four two don't know anything about it. Don't plan on using it, so there's a few questions about that. If we don' talk about, it's because we. Only thing I'm going to say is if I don''t talk, about something is important for me to not talk.

1:46:40 Whatever I, don ''t say matters as much as what I do. Yes. We're not being rude. And I''m not saying that in like any sort. I ''m just saying whatever I , don say as important as, what i do say. Yeah. Rather that you should be Off-Maut CRSS 31 for a month before running FOX04. Is that true? Never heard of that. Nor do I see why that would be true. People also don't think for whatever reason with FOXT04, they think you can't take other peptides. I don' know why they'd think that I've never seen any evidence for that, I have used peptide when I take FOCT04 so I do not know.

1:47:18 No, that shouldn't be an issue at all. Thoughts on Kaizotrex? I think it's better than nothing, but I don't think its a long-term solution to get therapeutic levels. And also too, people think like Kaize trex is this like unicorn like, Oh, you can take Kaizer tracks. It's going to increase your testosterone, still going to like have a, not as strong as injectable, but it's still gonna shut down your natural production slightly. It's gonna suppress fertility slightly, it is gonna be as bad as an injectible, no.

1:47:53 But it not like a free ride. I mean, its a freeride for the company that makes it because they can charge a lot for it, because in most cases its like 800 to 1000 bucks per month. Um, I'm not a fan of it. Again, is it better than nothing? Yeah, of course. It's like, why would I pay more for something that's going to get me worse results? Um, if that makes sense. But again, people get mad when it's, like why, are you hitting on a country? I'm not hating on Kaiser track, but it was like saying, you know, Like why wouldn't I use something?

1:48:27 That's inferior to what I know is superior. That also costs more. Um, that doesn't, what I'm saying is like, a lot of people think it's a free ride. It's not like there is still, uh, the things that we would say are side effects from TRT. You still get that just maybe not at the same level that you would. Uh, didn't six month checkup on my primary test was 1366. Doc thinks it was too high. DHT was 104. What does that mean? Also TH, TSH low at 0.356. Onreda and Tessamereland does affect T SH.

1:49:01 So. my opinion not a doctor test at 1366 not too high uh dht at 104 not to high basically that's just the level of amount that your body's turning the testosterone into dht uh but that or i mean it's the levels of dhd but what that is um not so i tsh is low at point one or 0.356 Usually you'll see this in people using desiccated thyroid or a synthetic form of thyroid. When the body's getting exogenous thyroid, it doesn't need to crank out TSH now.

1:49:32 And so typically the T SH will go down. So as long as you're using exogeneous form thyroid that's fine to me. If it was high, what that would be saying is that your body is trying to produce T S H to turn into thyroid and it's not working. It keeps pressing and pressing to make T H and that goes from there. But I don't necessarily see that an issue if you're using desiccated thyroid, but no, those numbers are not too high for me. And then Tessamerelin, like we talked about earlier, by helping with the conversion of T4 to T3, that may lower your TSH,

1:50:04 which I think is a bad thing. Your body's just saying like, oh, I'm more efficient now, so I didn't crank out as much. Free was two picograms per milliliter. The reference range was 0.1. Uh, to 6.4 and a total of seven. Interesting. I would still say that's way too low. Yeah. Down 40 pounds, 32% BF to 19% of BFF.

1:50:37 Good for you. Hey, we didn't do the work, man. We do what we do, but you guys are the ones that did the. What is a good question? What AI tool do I find most effective for our biohacking world and medical research? I've used chat GPT a lot in the past. I have been moving a little bit to Claude because Claud seems to have much more of a contextual understanding of what I'm searching for. So if I say like I need a report with medical literature citations around this topic, GPT seems more like a robot in the response I get,

1:51:10 whereas Claude is almost more of a human and that it understands contextually, oh, I'm looking for studies around growth hormone and cardiac growth. Here's what he's asking for, here's the medical literature that reflects that. Whereas GP can do that, but it's just kind of like a robot gave it back to you where it is Claude is more like human. And so I'm a big fan of using those for research to elucidate and to inform what I am doing, but I don't just like completely rely on those. Um, and you also too, don' want to get in a game of just being like, Oh, what is the dose of this?

1:51:43 And it just spits out something that is just pulling off the internet and that's so different than like Google search. So, um, the Claudes seems to be, I would say Claud and Manus, M-A-N-U-S right now, I'm just reeling at the implications of what they're going to do to the nature of work and the economy and how we use those. But I would say Claude, because I pay for the premium versions of all those, seems to be better right now contextually for research. You also have to get it going and make it understand who you are and what you're looking for before it really gets good at it.

1:52:24 After string training sessions, my tennis elbow and SI joint is on fire. I'm currently injecting BPC, any other peptides and suggestions to inject pre or post workout? Cardilax all day. So I'd say one to two milligrams of Cardillax, TB 500 obviously. Everyone knows CLO, which is KPV, GHK, Bpc and TB500, Which are great, but I think people sleep on Cardalax and PTG, MGF for how good those are.

1:52:55 taking estrogen because my hot flashes at night are crazy and I wake up so much at nights. Interesting. You don't think estrogen is the end all be all for that. Robert says, take half of a 25 milligram of SGLT2 trying to determine if a full dose of 25 milligrams. I've done both. There's, I take 25mg of Jordians and it's fine. Meaning like, you could probably say that a healthy person gets the good dose at 12 milligrams, but I don't think it's like,

1:53:29 you know, it'd be bad to take the 25 milligrams. Progesterone helped me a lot with the night sweats. Well, I mean, if someone doesn't have progesteron and, like that potentially could be an issue too. Yeah. Robert, If you feel good at twelve milligrams and everything is good, that's fine. I feel like there's not really that much of a difference is what I'm saying. So it probably is better to Save half the money because it is not cheap.

1:53:59 Instagram gods are watching. They're always watching, smite us down. How do you feel about taking telmasartan hydrochlorothiazide combination to help with water retention with raking, with taking eight to 10 plus IUs of GH? Actually, I only took telmosartans before a pre-workout. I mean, just lowers your blood pressure. I don't know that it didn't really see Alice would be better pre-workout. But yeah, I didn' mean to take it. And I thought it was, yeah. Thought it wa data.

1:54:29 Grab the, right? I'm not a fan of like the diuretics. So like, i think you could get the benefit just from Telma sartan instead of the hydrochlorothiazide, but like taking that a lot of GH like, you know, is there a use case for that? Maybe, maybe not. But I definitely think telmasartan. So I would start there and then see if you need the diuretic. Yeah. Cause you will get water retention from that much GH, especially depending on where it's from. Was on red two milligrams and was working, got a bad flu.

1:55:01 And so I stopped and now back on Reda and up to five milligrams, but it feels like it was not working. No appetite suppression, zero weight loss. I mean, that's a tough question to answer because like, I don't know enough about you. I know your hormones. Um, what else you're taking, like what other peptides are, maybe it's not a Reddit thing. Maybe it a hormone and a thyroid and that type of thing, so, um, you know, it. It's kind of like saying like are you going to overfill the gas tank? Is that what's going make your car better? Or do you need to fix a flat tire?

1:55:31 Sometimes you gotta fix flat tires instead of putting more gas in the So yeah, I would just say, if you want to, you can put in the chat what else you're doing and stuff, but if it's a hormone issue, rarely is RETTA, just escalating the dose of Reta going to be the best thing. And then also too, we're gonna desensitize ourselves the higher the does. So sometimes taking down the dos or going something else could be.

1:56:06 Yeah, Gene says I just do whatever the opposite of my doctor. Yeah. Ivermectin works great for acne, especially the one that tracks your supply, the pace, and that's where you can get it from. You can also get off Amazon too. It's pretty easy to find on Amazon now. Making us hungry is some Bojangles talk. They have to be from the South. Yeah, I'd be the from South and know that. Would a peptide or HRT cause night sweats? I get them about every two hours into my sleep and they last a few hours before or have been happening for five months now?

1:56:41 I mean, potentially could. Usually it's going to be the opposite. Yeah. But it just depends on the person. Does one really need to filter peptides? No. No, I've never felt it. It's a good way to confuse and scare people. Like in most cases. Is it bad? Never had an issue. So that, that like needed that.

1:57:11 I was like, what is it? What is this? It makes you feel better. It's kind of like. You know, it's kinda like if you have filtered water, do you still need to do, like do we need filter our mountain valley water through a reverse osmosis? I mean, Probably. Maybe. I think it does fine. It tests Mountain Valley and it's probably like poisonous. We did hear that Mountain valley didn't come back good testing. Like what point do we like, what can you actually drink anymore from a water standpoint?

1:57:43 My bread comes out better when I use mountain valley water to make my bread. So like it has minerals. The rice comes up better too. Yeah. What are your thoughts on high SHBG and normal free tea? In the case of a woman, it could be a lot of things. Like it, could have something to do with thyroid. It could, have, something, to, do, with your metabolic health, like your weight, how much body fat you have. So we did a presentation on this inside of our group.

1:58:15 For the people that are in our, group, you can go back and watch that. But yeah, just kind of depends on the person. Obviously you want SHPG to be normal. Did you see the comment right underneath it? Recently increased T and doctor added T3 for thyroid labs came back. It could be, yeah, it could from the T 3 that's doing that. Yeah. Thank you, Lisa. I mean, everyone's going to have an ego, but my goal is to like not have any ego.

1:58:45 Just be a normal person, you know, and I just like helping people with this. Like I, I'd just liked doing what I do. And that's me. But goal was to not having ego and then, uh, just help other people. Sometimes your downfalls that you don't have enough of the ego sometimes. In the past. Are you just stroking my ego? No. Probably yeah, in the pass. Yeah. I would say that. And just let people run over you. But yeah. Not anymore though.

1:59:16 Amon and Clomophene have Dutasteri to acne surface, but I'm fortunate that none has surfaced. So yeah I wouldn't use the Dupasteride personally with, do what that will, Yeah. Christie said zero brain without injectable testosterone. It's crazy. Like if women just knew what it was like for their brain, you can take all the other benefits off just for the brain health alone. Yeah, yeah.

1:59:47 Love combining NAD plus vitamin C, glutathione, alpha-lipoic acid, methylene blue with full body red light therapy to clear inflammation. Bam. There you go. You do that like in an hour, and you'll be like ready to run through a wall. Thank you, Christy. Yeah, we did thyroid presentation in the group. And now we've got, I made it easier to like, set up a little website for people in groups. They don't have to go through the feed just to watch all the presentations. Then when I did that yesterday, realized that all of the ones were password protected.

2:00:17 So even when they clicked on the link inside of library website, so I had to manually go and turn the password off from Zoom, not from the website from zoom, but now it works. Anybody can go back. 50 have my last job my 40s and sort of HRT is the best. I'll take it. Yep. Can you tell me what sloop do for you?

2:00:47 How you felt? I mean, it just basically is gonna like increase energy, help with body composition, a couple of lot of things. Um, I've got a lot of videos on sleep. I don't need to take up everyone's time and talking about sleep is HGH. Kelly means 191 amino acid, the same as so much rope in so, much less money. So I questioned it. Um I dunno, Kelly, uh, send us a message. Don't know specifically. That's like saying is like BPC 15 amino acids different than B. P. C.

2:01:17 Or, you know, it's, like, well, no, but there is, people do, make lesser forms of growth hormone. Yeah. What peptides did you think would work best for mold detox? I've been doing BPC, TB 500, cerebroneurigen, and CJC. GHK still have a lot of brain fog and very fatigue. I mean, definitely it doesn't sound like you have like any immune peptide right now. So like dimethanol for one, thymolin, KPV.

2:01:48 If you've got the mold out, VIP, LL37, those would all be things that I would default to. Um, I have video, if you look up on like Spotify or iTunes, It's within the last six months. I don't remember what date. Um, it's just like a peptide stack for mold. So it seems like health and fitness Twitter has gone from TRT being great for body recomp to TRP plus for some form of anabolic being the only way to hit goals. Thoughts there are vilified offline. Don't think that's bad. Like I have no problem with TRG plus, or even running cycles to get muscle and then going back down to trt.

2:02:23 It just a trade off. You know, It's like exercise. The right amount of exercise is good. If you do too much exercise, eventually you're going to pay the price. And so the question is just like, what, are you comfortable with? And what can you operate within? And I would encourage people like once they become comfortable with TRT and everything there and they have their own baseline, they want to do that. Like absolutely play around with it. I, you know, I sure have. So it's just one of those things like it up to the end user, of like, what do they wanna do?

2:02:53 But there's no right. Or like so many people are like oh, your gonna die if you take 400 milligrams of test a week or you wanna run Supremo or Masteron or whatever. But it like hey, each person should be able to do what they want to. But I don't think it's, I would never vilify TRT plus for sure. Uh, but does that mean you can only hit your goals? What are your goal? So does it become a bodybuilder or you sure as heck are not going to become the body builder using TRTs? But do you just want it to look good, feel good? Yeah, of course. I think with TR T H E H, desiccated thyroid and peptides, you could absolutely like look pretty doggone good depending on what your starting point is obviously.

2:03:31 So. And what your goal is, because it doesn't make a difference. Yeah. Use Foxer 4 with Fisset and BAM 15 amongst other things, part of my Scenolitic. That's a good, good thing to do. Wow. Taylor, I love your channel. UK, 50 year old. I think that's UK. Yeah. Wow. 170 pounds now. Congrats. That's awesome.

2:04:01 It's crazy. I always say for like a lot of people, like someone that's never like really been overweight or really overweight at all, but it takes way, way harder work and more discipline and willpower for someone to do that. And a person that has just kind of like been a normal weight their whole life. Yeah, definitely. Michelle says, my husband's testosterone is 480. He's 49 years old. We're still trying for our first child. What's the optimal level he needs to be at and what can you do to help? I mean, the optimum level is going to different for everyone. I would say 440 is low, but I will say to conceive a child, I'd go to HCG, HMG or recombinant FSH, glutathione, L-carnitine.

2:04:43 That's a path I'll go down. So I've got a recent video about that, kind of talking about all of those things and how I'm using them. Concerned about rebounding out for coming off Reda and recommendations for non-GLP peps for fat loss. Sure. I mean, I think the standard answer is going to be like hormones and thyroid, then HGH or an HTH peptide. And then, yeah, sure. There's MOTC, there's SLU, five amino, ATX, There there are lots of different stuff that are maybe not as powerful, but will still aid and kind of like

2:05:18 help keep the momentum going. Yeah. Also like shift the mindset a little bit, like, shift your physique goals and your mindset of like what your goal is right now. If you're getting ready to come off because you've hit like your fat loss goal, then let it be a time where you can, we're going to reset and focus more on putting some muscle mass back on. I need to put muscle mask back. That means I needed to eat more calories. Not saying you need. Benji, but it's like increasing and being in a calorie surplus, still healthy calories, so healthy macro counts, healthy foods.

2:05:54 But that way it gives you, when you have that mindset of that goal of like putting muscle on and makes that transition easier. Yeah. Um, yeah, like sometimes hunger is the body needs to have a hunger signal is a sign that like you're undernourished to what you need to eat. And the goal should, with GLP should not be to like starve yourself. It should be, to enable extra, especially in the case of red, uh, Like extra calorie, extra calories burnt and, um, like to get you in a,

2:06:29 like a catalyst. To get where you're going rather than like something that you just rely completely on to help. So hunger is not always a bad thing. I have a natural spring is shown on my property. I wonder about the, that due to it spins, but yeah, then it gets on the tank and the shade, which is still need to spin again. It probably depends on how long, like I would say if it's, yeah. If it was like a day or two, it'd probably fine. But like if a water sits for like weeks of the time, definitely needs to spend again, you know? Yeah. What's that thing that I.

2:07:00 Yeah, the structured water, little vase thing. They're kind of expensive. Here's a good question. Isn't Clomophane worth a try to optimize test or better to just do injectable tests? Let's assume in the case FSH is in range pre-therapy, but total test is 457 and free is 84, which is really 8.4 and SHBG is 17. I mean, here's what will happen. Your total tests, if you do any Clamophene, your total tasks will go up probably to like eight or 900 or a thousand. You're free will probably go to on this measure, like 120, it would be like 12. SHPG probably won't change that much.

2:07:37 And you'll be like, I feel a little different. And so if you want to do that first, just to see how you feel, that's fine. Obviously it's the person, but I would say it never going to be the long-term solution. Yeah. So. Thank you, Robert. Thank for being a long time supporter and amazing member of the group and friend of us. And what's up, Sean? Have we thought about more of some sort of Axion gathering? I have, I just haven't like logistically, it would be tough.

2:08:07 What I would probably do, and this would like depending on our timetable, might have to be like in the fall if we were even to do it. And I would probably just make this open to the public, not even for people in the private group. It's just, I will just go rent like a ballroom in a hotel here where we live, which is in Raleigh, North Carolina, and make it for free. So like, as long as you pay your way to get here in your hotel, if you need a hotels stay here, another lot of people are local so they can drive. As long I think there's more than I realized, but I don't understand.

2:08:43 Yeah. But yeah, I would just want to make it free. And I, it's like, we would pay money to go to these conferences by the time you pay for flights and food and hotels and everything around that. I could probably just about nearly rent out event space here, make free for people. Mm-hmm. That way I'm not going to a conference to like I don't really care to be there anyway, other than the fact that I. Oh yeah. Meaning that like a lot of times the content that you're getting is not worth the cost that your pay.

2:09:16 It's usually the people that are there that costs versus like, okay, I have people that follow us that we could invite other people do that, make it free for people. And the same amount of money that I would just, would be a sunk cost and go into a conference. I could do like a thing here. You just have people come for free. We just hang out and do a seminar and talk about peptides and. Do whatever. So everybody that wants the seminar to happen, I want everybody to send Hunter an email.

2:09:48 Nope. Please don't do it. Cause if I will set up a better way, no, I know, but there's more efficient ways. Cause like, I just won't have time. I'm just saying like if you like it, if he want that, like send her an email. Well, do want, that it's just a matter of doing the time one. There's not really like there was all these conferences, where there is not one that is like a, a peptides oriented conference right now. But yeah, so, Yeah, that would be like our dream is to do that.

2:10:26 And we could probably get enough sponsors to like where we'd make it free for people, sponsors would cover the cost and then we can just have, you know, hopefully a few hundred people. Yeah. I think the only downfall is like, just like technical, like how to make work. Cause if we make, we want to there could be a chance like obviously there'll be limited amount of tickets and then there has to be like a guarantee that someone's actually going to show up because I don't want like all these tickets to get bought out and it gets sold out quickly and Then there's Actually

2:10:56 less people that show which that's gonna happen no matter what but there and that the one part we have to kind of like figure out with her Yeah. Like if I made it free, but then like, Oh, I'll RSVP and it's free. And then, like 500 people RSP, and then 50 people show up. Yeah, it was kind of like you're taking away from someone who really was committed to coming. So we have to figure that part out. I don't know. We'll see. But I would, much rather prefer to do that. Then go to conference. Some of them are great. It's just more fun to like hang out with people you want to Well, and as people that like want to, yeah, they're interested,

2:11:37 interested in you. Yeah. Barbarian mummy or barbarian dummy. Kind of like me. I've been loving the podcast. Got my girl from watching too. Appreciate all they're doing and spreading it. Red has been working great. Down 13 pounds. Keep up the good work. Thank you, Jean. Um, thank you. solid slew and bam protocol after running SS 31 mod C, looking to recomp for the summer.

2:12:08 I would probably do, I like 50 milligrams of bam to like 250 micrograms of sleut would be the ratio. You just have to find the right blend of those together, or you can get them separately and use them. And then you could go to, like, 100 milligrams a bam, to 500 micro grams of I've done that. That's what I have used in the past and products. And that worked really well for me. Yeah. I like those combos. Some people hate on the combo. Right now we're just talking in theory, like the people that debate over like slew or bam, are they together?

2:12:42 Are they separate? I think right now I see both sides of the picture. It's just a matter of like, we don't really know. So right. We're talking theory. If we talked in, theory we would say that BPC 157 causes cancer. There's actually data that shows that it reduces. tumors. So I mean, it's just, very hard to say, but I, I personally have used it, felt good and got good results. And that puts us at two hours and 13 minutes. Thank you guys. Robert, cause you didn't put the comment that it was fine. You don't have to, But that's a very, thank you, Robert.

2:13:12 He just solved my, pardon my problem. Yeah. That's so smart. Yeah. So anyway, thank you guys. Wonderful Saturday morning. I hope you have an enjoyable, wonderful weekend. Again, just in closing, without you, guys, we don't exist. Thank you. Whatever form or fashion it is that you support us. We appreciate that more than you know. It is a privilege and blessing to get to even just hang out with you and have a platform to do this.